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Okay, I have never really built a new computer from new parts off the internet. I really just upgraded from a IBM M51 P$ *shivers* to a gateway MT6451....

First time using AMD and I love it, especially the virtualization aspects. I am lucky enough to have a very nice grandmother-in-law who is willing to help me keep my programming going! I need to keep it as low on the budget as possible but still be able to keep up. I am aware that I will probably need to do a Mobo upgrade in the future but right now I need enough power to handle my workloads.

I tend to use Linux and virtualize anything else I need and I need a system that reflects this. Of course W7 will have a small portion for some gaming, this cannot be forgotten (admittedly I am still stuck in the 2000 to 2005 era of games haha).

I am looking at this case just for the price and cooling!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811822001

I have found this mobo but I am not sure if it is the best choice
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...553&CatId=5528

I am planning on using this proc because the newer phenom procs are a bit more expensive.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103705

And throw one 4g ram stick in for now
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231310

The issues I am having are the mobo, power supply, and proc fan. I do not know where to go for either of these parts.

For the mobo I want to have a decent speed on the HDD's and to have multiple HDD's for storage and multiple OS's. I also would like a decent on board video so that I can get by until I purchase a Video card. I liked this mobo because of the inboard video and the HDMI + VGA (not sure if I will be able to get a HDMI monitor so I might be stuck with a VGA)

It needs to last so I know the power supply and fan are going to be important but I cant find any information on what kind of power supply I will need with this mobo.

To many issues and to little sleep haha. I am in great need of some advise! Any input will be helpful!
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Go with two sticks or RAM, dual channel is a good amount faster than single.
2x2GB will be noticeably faster than 1x4GB.
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Yeah, and don't choose poor quality prebuilt generic 1333 9-9-9 RAM, especially at an overpriced $50, for a custom built.
Try:
Corsair XMS3 1600 9-9-9 - $50, 40 AR
PNY XLR8 1600 8-8-8 - $60, 40 AR
G.Skill NQ 1600 9-9-9, $45 after promo code (no rebate)
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Go with two sticks or RAM, dual channel is a good amount faster than single.
2x2GB will be noticeably faster than 1x4GB.
Not true. The difference won't be noticeable in most real-world applications.
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15967
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Although three channels of DDR3 memory might seem excessive, the Core i7 really does seem to make good use of faster memory, at least in synthetic tests. But that was to be expected. The real question is whether those gains translate to real-world applications, and it's here that the results are more mixed. Certainly, in scientific computing tests like Euler3d and MyriMatch, which we already know to be sensitive to memory subsystem performance, faster memory can provide tangible performance perks. However, common desktop applications like those highlighted by WorldBench don't benefit much from higher memory clocks or tighter timings. Neither do most games, which at best show minor frame rate improvements that aren't significant enough for most folks to even notice, let alone appreciate.

Edited by DuckieHo - 12/26/10 at 9:06pm
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You could get this combo instead to save some cash. Also has a faster CPU + stock heatsink.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.573211
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Not true. The difference won't be noticeable in most real-world applications.
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15967
That's actually a different argument. The dual channel > triple channel performance difference really isn't big except in certain apps; single channel > dual channel can make a huge, noticeable difference on everything. You can trust me, all my friends that I have told to rearrange their RAM to enable proper dual channel have noticed a good performance increase/more snappy performance.
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That's actually a different argument. The dual channel > triple channel performance difference really isn't big except in certain apps; single channel > dual channel can make a huge, noticeable difference on everything. You can trust me, all my friends that I have told to rearrange their RAM to enable proper dual channel have noticed a good performance increase/more snappy performance.
Dual channel vs single channel:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...G,1705-11.html
http://www.aselabs.com/articles.php?id=284&page=2
http://www.guruht.com/2010/03/core-i...vs-triple.html

Do you have any objective benchmarks?

Elaborate on "more snappy performance"?
Edited by DuckieHo - 12/26/10 at 11:15pm
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Dual channel vs single channel:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...G,1705-11.html
http://www.aselabs.com/articles.php?id=284&page=2
http://www.guruht.com/2010/03/core-i...vs-triple.html

Do you have any objective benchmarks?

Elaborate on "more snappy performance"?
Depends on what you're benchmarking.

Sandra: ~50% difference

FPS in Games: 6-7% difference

It's all relative, but when cost is practically equivalent, why not go dual channel?
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Boot times, app load times... which are not really ever tested.
Maybe one day I'll run some single channel vs dual channel benchmarks just to be sure.
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You could get this combo instead to save some cash. Also has a faster CPU + stock heatsink.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.573211
That is a very good deal! I will go this direction! Thank you so much!

I will look into the ram thing, maybe I can spring for dual channel 2x4gigs.

Any ideas on power supplies? This is a very bad area for me and I do not want to make any mistakes. I do want to throw in a video card eventually and need to be able to handle all the fans on the case. Not sure what I need to be looking at here!
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