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HP machines die after one year. Bad way to start off SB

Sorry to have to edit but I cant stress it enough, HP is junk. nuff said

NO BUY NO BUY NO BUY NO BUY

Proof?

*Posted from my four year old HP laptop.
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Proof?

*Posted from my four year old HP laptop.
yea i mean hp hardware isnt really that bad at all guys, im gonna take into account that theres a possibility that some of you might not have taken the bast care of your laptops
    
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post #13 of 53
eh they are better then MSI laptops. at least from my experience...

but yea im surprised they didnt debut this with someone like asus or lenovo. very well respected brands especially among nerds, whom brand new products are usually directed toward
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Plays games and then burns itself out due to extremely poor design and implementation of systems.

About 60% of the systems I work on at work are HPs. The most common problems with them are: broken DC jacks due to extremely poor solder work connecting the jack to the motherboard, overheating issues due to poor ventilation/air flow in the case, overheating due to very low quality fans, and display issues due to either low quality components in the screen/cabling or poor video chipsets.

Granted, the last one there on the display issues is not entirely HPs fault (class action lawsuit against nvidia). But the build quality of HP notebooks is deplorable. Not only is the material the chassis is built out of very low quality, but the engineer who designed the chassis' in the first place needs to be shot.

Most recent HPs require a full freakin' disassembly just to swap out the RAM. Everything! I have to pull the keyboard, the top chassis and sometimes even the display assembly out just to get to the RAM. And you better pray that the memory slots aren't on the bottom of the board or else you have to pull that out as well because there are no freakin' panels on the bottom of the chassis. And if you need to swap out a failing hard drive? EVERYTHING has to come out on some of the latest Pavillion models.

Seriously, what would be so hard about putting some removable panels and two screws on the bottom of the damn system?

/rant

TL;DR: HP is trash.

I don't want to argue here, but I can point out several false accusations in your post. I work for HP, specifically in the notebook support division, and I deal with notebooks all day every day. All of our newer machines have removable panels for RAM, HDD, and some expansion slots. Most of them you don't even need a screwdriver. There are release "latches" that start under the battery compartment, and go from panel to panel.
On top of that, I want to point out that HP uses the same manufactures for motherboards/RAM/Wifi Cards/etc that other brands use. (such as Asus, Dell, some lenevo models even) so I don't see how you can say that HP's hardware is junk, when 95% of the consumer models out there use the exact same hardware. And even if they are different models, HP DOES NOT manufacture their own motherboards, RAM, etc so the solder quality isn't really anything HP can directly fix. (Other then talk with the manufactures themselves about the issue)
I will say I've fixed several different notebooks on the side, and I've seen these problems you mentioned across all brands, so I can relate to some of the stuff you pointed out. But I would say the problems you mentioned are present in almost all brands, not just HP alone.

/rant
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If I had to buy a notebook HP would be my first choice for sub $700 budget. I sold a Compaq custom built on ebay 2 yrs ago and its still going strong. Socket 939 FTW.
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yes.. HP laptops are crap.. thats why my GF machine still runnning after 4 years MINIMUN 6 hours a day (even more at times) and still like nothing !! hell, that thing even play The Sims 3 with all the expansions

FAIL HP.. YOU FAIL
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post #17 of 53
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I don't want to argue here, but I can point out several false accusations in your post. I work for HP, specifically in the notebook support division, and I deal with notebooks all day every day. All of our newer machines have removable panels for RAM, HDD, and some expansion slots. Most of them you don't even need a screwdriver. There are release "latches" that start under the battery compartment, and go from panel to panel.
I made an error in my last post: the model line I'm referring to is the ProBook, not Pavillion. However, see these pictures taken ~5 minutes ago. There are no removable panels. I have to (and have had to) completely strip this thing bare to swap out either the HDD or RAM.

Granted, these are not the greatest quality photos, but they're enough to get my point across.



In this picture, you can't see it entirely, but the touchpad is actually dipping below the rest of the chassis. I thought at first this was one particular defective model (hey, these things happen), but no - it's the same on every unit we get in.


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On top of that, I want to point out that HP uses the same manufactures for motherboards/RAM/Wifi Cards/etc that other brands use. (such as Asus, Dell, some lenevo models even) so I don't see how you can say that HP's hardware is junk, when 95% of the consumer models out there use the exact same hardware. And even if they are different models, HP DOES NOT manufacture their own motherboards, RAM, etc so the solder quality isn't really anything HP can directly fix. (Other then talk with the manufactures themselves about the issue)
I never said the computer hardware was bad, aside from the solder work on the motherboards and the fan assemblies. The solder work is a direct result of poor contracting. The fan assemblies could be argued either way, but the fact that the fans used and the problems associated with them only plague HPs (in fact I have two HPs on my work bench right now in for fan replacements) says it's a fault of HPs' quality control.

The material the chassis is made out of is low quality as well. As seen in the second photo above, the touchpad is dipping below the chassis which further indicates poor construction.

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I will say I've fixed several different notebooks on the side, and I've seen these problems you mentioned across all brands, so I can relate to some of the stuff you pointed out. But I would say the problems you mentioned are present in almost all brands, not just HP alone.

/rant

I work on (and disassemble) laptops of every manufacturer every day, without fail. Yes, similar problems exist across most other major brands as well, but the sheer number of issues that HP system have is staggering, let alone how prevalent those issues are in all of their models.


HP's quality control department is utter crap. But you know what? It keeps my bonus nice and big, so I can't complain too much.
    
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I got my wife an HP laptop a little over a year ago. I've never had a problem with it. It only came with 3gb of ram, so I upgraded it to 4gb's about a month after purchasing it. There is a nice little panel to access it from the bottom, just like any other laptop that i've owned.
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I don't want to argue here, but I can point out several false accusations in your post. I work for HP, specifically in the notebook support division, and I deal with notebooks all day every day. All of our newer machines have removable panels for RAM, HDD, and some expansion slots. Most of them you don't even need a screwdriver. There are release "latches" that start under the battery compartment, and go from panel to panel.
On top of that, I want to point out that HP uses the same manufactures for motherboards/RAM/Wifi Cards/etc that other brands use. (such as Asus, Dell, some lenevo models even) so I don't see how you can say that HP's hardware is junk, when 95% of the consumer models out there use the exact same hardware. And even if they are different models, HP DOES NOT manufacture their own motherboards, RAM, etc so the solder quality isn't really anything HP can directly fix. (Other then talk with the manufactures themselves about the issue)
I will say I've fixed several different notebooks on the side, and I've seen these problems you mentioned across all brands, so I can relate to some of the stuff you pointed out. But I would say the problems you mentioned are present in almost all brands, not just HP alone.

/rant
Pointless to argue or rationalize.

I've found HP build quality no worse than any other major notebook manufacturer, and better than a lot (::cough::ASUS::cough:: ).

I love my work 8440p Elitebook--never had a better laptop.

And to address the apparent wide-spread servicing of HP's by the previous poster, I'm sure your exact story is had by other computer repair persons, only in their experience, the computers were Dells or Gateways or (insert brand here).

ASUS, on the other hand--never been more disappointed in my UL80J. Worst build quality ever, and the shoddiest support for applications and drivers.

This HP is promising, and quite in the price range of what I'd expect--actually, a bit below what I had suspected for a new SB release.
    
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Let me clear the air.

Having owned a 2008 HP Pavilion model, it was apparent at that time that the workmanship wasn't the best out there.
The screen bezel is tacky and has little bulges in places.

The metal speaker grill arrived with a dent, and was ill-fitting.

There were odd lumps and bumps on the palmrest, keyboard was kind-of arced in an odd way; and the ';' key was sticky. It was like a touchpanel - you didn't even need to use force on that key to activate it.

Put bluntly, it was an atrocity.
Then there were the display issues.
Purchased in Jan 2008, it quickly ran into issues in Jun 2008.
First, the fingerprint reader went kaput.

Then, the display conked out on me while I was surfing the Net, only to re-appear in 9 different sections, and the entire screen bathed in pink lines.


Being covered under the statutory 1 year warranty, I sent it for repair.

Over at the repair centre, hordes of other people with similar notebooks or notebooks based on the same platform and sharing the same chassis were queuing up to register for repairs.

This just shows the (lack of) quality in those notebooks, at that time.

Worse still, not only was there a very long waiting time - the customer service officers did not even call after the repairs were completed.

Only after three weeks did we call and realise that it had been completed a long time ago.
Why was it that we were not given a call?
This is puzzling.

Following that, I collected the notebook; and luckily enough for me, had the sense to first test it at the centre before bringing it back.

But what is this? They replaced my 128MB 8400M GS with a 64MB one!
Sure, I don't game on that notebook, but it made a world of difference.
Suddenly, Windows took half an hour to start, it took five entire minutes to load IE7 (the latest and greatest for me at that time), and it would hang the moment you got on YouTube.
Not to mention, HD video playback was appalling.

I took it back and had them repair it within a week, threatening Small Claims Court if they failed to do so.

But wait - after that lengthy story, does this still hold today?
I think not.
Let's visit two of my friends who use modern (2010 lineup) HP notebooks.

As compared to me, I can say that they use their notebooks in a pretty rough manner.
So far, none of them have had their notebooks sent for repair.

One has a Pavilion dm3, which has been running for 1,650 hours thus far.
The other has an Elitebook 2540p which is basically turned on as long as its on a table.
Nearing 2,000 or more hours now, I'd say.

This only goes to prove that the misconceptions of HP are mostly carried from the 2008/9 era, where the entire Pavilion series was crap.

Right now though, I fail to see the current lineup being crap.
The Envy series may be a tad expensive, but they have some of the best build quality around.
And here's what I say - every HP notebook comes with sound quality ranging from half-decent, to excellent.
Especially for my 2008 dv2713tx.
Amongst all its shortcomings, it has its stronghold in terms of audio. The built-in Altec Lansing speakers ring loud and clear.
Try getting that from my new Asus K42Jr.

And also, I should mention - it is still going strong after repairs. After having the keyboard fixed, new panels placed and graphics card replaced with the correct one, it's now folding 24/7 on my table.
GPU and CPU temps hit a high of 98 Celsius day to day, but there have been no issues thus far, for the ~700 hours I've been folding on it.
It currently sits at 2,262 hours of uptime, and I hope to wring much more out of it.

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Pointless to argue or rationalize.

I've found HP build quality no worse than any other major notebook manufacturer, and better than a lot (::cough::ASUS::cough:: ).

I love my work 8440p Elitebook--never had a better laptop.

And to address the apparent wide-spread servicing of HP's by the previous poster, I'm sure your exact story is had by other computer repair persons, only in their experience, the computers were Dells or Gateways or (insert brand here).

ASUS, on the other hand--never been more disappointed in my UL80J. Worst build quality ever, and the shoddiest support for applications and drivers.

This HP is promising, and quite in the price range of what I'd expect--actually, a bit below what I had suspected for a new SB release.
Ah yes, the UL80.
I have a friend who owns the UL80VT.
You can literally bend the right side of the laptop, and the DVD drive has left gaps since day one.

And should I mention that the keyboard on my K42Jr is bending!?

So here's proof.
HP's build quality is no worse than any other mainstream manufacturer.
Oh, so they run warmer.
Try putting a MacBook on your lap then.
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