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My current rig is a little over 3 years old and is in my sig. As you can see it is time for an upgrade. I have been out of the scene for sometime and I am basically back at newb status as far as knowing the newest hardware and what sort of CPU and GPU are coming out soon.

I am stuck trying to figure out if I should go for the SB or wait for IB or just go with a current CPU like the I7 950/970 or even an I5 chip. I would like my next MOBO to be able to upgrade CPU later so I may want to wait for the new sockets to come out instead of buying a 1156 or 1366 socket?

If i don't buy a current i5/i7 chip or a SB later in January, I will stick with my current rig til IB or something else comes out later in 2011. If i do this, I still need some upgrades now!
I am thinking of upgrading to a SSD. maybe this one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820226170
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231379
or should i wait until the SSD manufacturers improve their products? i hear positive and negative reviews on these things...i read that sandforce controller is the way to go. Please chime in on the SSD if you have experience or knowledge on them.

I would like to get rid of this Vista 32 and get Win7 64. Will do this when i figure out which SSD to buy. I will also need to move up from 2GB ram to 4GB ram.
I read that my MOBO is picky on ram. I think i got the last decent ballistix memory before they went to **** on this pc-6400 stuff. I have never had problems with it but i have ready way to many bad reviews on them. I was thinking of going with 4GB of pc-6400 Gskill / Mushkin / OCZ. Not sure what to go with and what would be compatible on my MOBO as none of them are on the QVL but we all know that doesn't mean much. I can get some ram to hold me over til my next build for cheap...around 80 bucks.

I am also considering grabbing another Video card now. This is a tough choice as my 8800GT plays SC2 just fine and I also play CSS and TF2 and i am thinking about buying Bad Compay 2...hopefully the current vid card would handle that ok.
OR
I could go with a card that i would add to at the time of my next build. For example, i could get a GTX 460 now and add another one in around 9-12 months and SLI them. Or, maybe that would be too weak...In that case i could spend the cash and get a GTX 580 now and then SLI another one in 9-12 months...or, maybe you guys could suggest that i should hold off because there is another new card that will kick ass that is coming out in the next 6-12 months.... What do you think would be worth while?

The other option would be so screw it and go with a current MOBO and CPU or SB when it comes out in January and buy all new stuff. Not sure if its worth waiting 9-12 months for IB or something else...I am patient and can wait. I also wonder how much my current PSU can handle...like two newer GPU in SLI??

Guys and gals...any help is greatly appreciated. Please spit some knowledge on me.

oh and one last thing...even though this is a gaming rig, i will want to test its OC limits...my next machine i would like to push 5GHz and am considering trying watercooling...up to this point i have only been on air.

THANKS!
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Well just looking at what you want, I'll put in my feelings.

One, you REALLY don't need that much space for an SSD. There are diminishing buying at those price points, and you're probably better off going for a great quality lower capacity SSD like the Crucial C300 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-348-_-Product)

Two, if you're thinking about doing SLI with one graphics card first and another later, don't do it with a graphics card released a fair while ago. 460 GTX's are still a good value, but chances are they'll be phased out soon enough, so if you want to SLI those two, you better do it now. Now if you're choosing something higher, don't go for the 580's. Though it has great power, you're probably better off stepping down a bit and going with CF 6950's or even 570's (or buy one now one later, at least there's no fear of it being phased out too soon).

No matter which upgrade path you'll choose, things are gonna have to be dumped. For one, you're gonna need a new set of RAM (4 GB's is cheap though, you could find them for $50). If you plan on SLI/CF, the PSU is also gonna have to hit the road, gonna have to go 700W+ for anything more than SLI 460's

As for waiting vs. jumping, it'll always be a waiting game if you want it to be. Hell, let's put it this way, if you can live without feeling the need to upgrade anything for another cycle until Ivy Bridge, then do so. If you can't, then your choice will be between LGA 1155 and LGA 1366, and that unless you're either going to go crazy on your SLI/OC or really want to stick 6 sticks of RAM in right now, you should just pick up the Sandy Bridge stuff
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first off, thanks for the reply...ill try to add more based on what you just said...
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Well just looking at what you want, I'll put in my feelings.

One, you REALLY don't need that much space for an SSD. There are diminishing buying at those price points, and you're probably better off going for a great quality lower capacity SSD like the Crucial C300 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-348-_-Product)

My initial thinking is that i want my OS and all games and apps on the same SSD...for speed. My pics and other media can go on a storage HDD which i already have.
But it sounds like you are proposing i go with a small SSD and to put my OS and what else on? If I don't have enough room on the SSD for games/apps, where would i put those? on a velociraptor or something? Wouldnt i lose read/load times by doing this? People, please help me out here with the understanding of the best SSD/HDD configuration for a gaming machine in which i would love to load my apps quickly.



Two, if you're thinking about doing SLI with one graphics card first and another later, don't do it with a graphics card released a fair while ago. 460 GTX's are still a good value, but chances are they'll be phased out soon enough, so if you want to SLI those two, you better do it now. Now if you're choosing something higher, don't go for the 580's. Though it has great power, you're probably better off stepping down a bit and going with CF 6950's or even 570's (or buy one now one later, at least there's no fear of it being phased out too soon).

Thanks for the info on the 460...I dont want to go with SLI on my current MOBO cuz the PCIE slots share bandwidth and i will only get 8x instead of 16x so i figure no point in doing this now...i could be wrong about the performance difference between 8x and 16x though. However, it really doesnt matter because i want a more future proof SLI....yes, right now i would only buy 1 card and then add the 2nd when i get a new MOBO/CPU so would be looking for a high performance card that will be around for some time....maybe nvidia or ati is coming out with a new line of cards soon?


No matter which upgrade path you'll choose, things are gonna have to be dumped. For one, you're gonna need a new set of RAM (4 GB's is cheap though, you could find them for $50). If you plan on SLI/CF, the PSU is also gonna have to hit the road, gonna have to go 700W+ for anything more than SLI 460's

yes, the 4GB would be temporary of course and yes 50-80 bucks is cheap and would enable me to start running win7 64bit and more apps at this time. my 2GB currently gets bogged down easily. And yes, when i get a new build, this ram is basically worthless to me as i will be going with DDR3 or 4 or whatever is the best at the time and 2000Mhz or whatever...I figured the PSU would not work but it is a great PSU and i think could handle 2 cards SLI at this time. Doubt it will handle my new build. PC power and cooling used to be the best...who makes the best PSUs now?


As for waiting vs. jumping, it'll always be a waiting game if you want it to be. Hell, let's put it this way, if you can live without feeling the need to upgrade anything for another cycle until Ivy Bridge, then do so. If you can't, then your choice will be between LGA 1155 and LGA 1366, and that unless you're either going to go crazy on your SLI/OC or really want to stick 6 sticks of RAM in right now, you should just pick up the Sandy Bridge stuff

it seems like the popular opinion right now is that SB isnt really much better than the chips that have been out for a while. If that is the case, i would try to hold out until IB which is why i am considering doing exactly that with just an upgrade in SSD/OS/Ram/GPU possibly. Can you guys fill me on how good or bad SB is gonna be?
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Agree with Shatterists comments.

80-120Gb SSD is plenty big enough for a gaming rig.

Chances are if you get a single GPU now thats what you will end up sticking with. Very few people who get one card thinking they will get a second card actually do it, as the next gen comes out, and they migrate to that instead.
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Agree with Shatterists comments.

80-120Gb SSD is plenty big enough for a gaming rig.

Chances are if you get a single GPU now thats what you will end up sticking with. Very few people who get one card thinking they will get a second card actually do it, as the next gen comes out, and they migrate to that instead.
what are the actual benefits of a good GPU vs going with 2 of those in SLI? Would I really see much difference in my games or is it basically for whoring out great benchmarks?
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Big benefits with the right rig. 2 x 6850's will outperform a 5970 (current top of the pile) but a slower CPU could bottleneck it and reduce the benefit a little, especially if you have a small resolution monitor.

maximum frame rates mean little. What really counts is minimum frame rates. Getting those consistently above 30FPS at a higher resolution and quality settings makes the difference.
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i see you guys calling out ATI cards...i thought nvidia was top dog at the moment...no?
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yep they are really good as well and generally a bit quicker but also more expensive.

If I had an SLI mobo I would get 2 x GTX460's. If I had a X-fire capable mobo I would get the 6850's. If I had the choice of both, I would go for the cheapest and quietest.

Heres a link to a review comparing X-fire and SLI mobos against single GPUs from Nvidia and AMD/ATI
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thank you dihartnell. i would like to get some advice from others on the other aspects of my upgrade. we are beating on the GPU pretty good here.
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It's got the absolute top of the heap, yep, but unless money is no object, it's rather pricey. AMD's offerings are more bang for buck, especially when their 6950's can apparently be flashed into 6970's.

As for PSU's, your best options are Seasonic, Corsair, and Antec. Also the XFX Black Edition PSU's seem to be well regarded. Though don't take my word past 850W, I don't tend to work with rigs higher then that.

As for your SSD concerns, the only thing your SSD will help with is load times. Unless you've got a very big Steam collection and you're dying to put it ALL on the SSD, you're better off getting a high performance HDD (not necessarily a Velociraptor either) for your less played games/games that require you wait on others to load with you. 60 should be good for a a game or two with your OS and whatever other misc. apps you have and 120 should put you at a healthy stock of games (say 5 high capacity games + OS and apps)
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