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Don't judge dubstep by what you heard; I'm a dubstep fanatic and that's among the worse dubstep I've ever heard.

If you're into house or D&B then it's fairly easy to get into dubstep if you find the right track. What sort of music are you into? I'll recommend you some biggrin.gif


coreyL: Google "Excision Shambla Mix 2009" and 2010 too, one and a half hours of heavenly bass smile.gif, each.

rofl, good job, thats where theat dubstep was from, it was a random dubstep song in a random part in my library, i wasnt going for best song there, i was going for hearing dynamics of the frequency response of my mic. don't judge the music, judge the quality of recordign.

also, other dude, my onboard video is garbage, and did you even listen to the soundcloud of the recording of my speakerS? you can see my audio setup in the reply i made to first post.

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Originally Posted by Draggin;11800292 
sounds like a cd, dam.

Nice man.

mind recording one of the bass tests on youtube such as this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylCji8rf7VI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbqX19EaDWs

headphones actually fell off my head on this one.

full blast.

http://snd.sc/fqmdMJ

there are both songs, but remember there IS no speaker placement that time. listen to bass only.
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How would a dynamic microphone be superior to this high-end large diaphragm condenser?

I know about the SM57 and the SM58 mics. Inside, they are the same mic. The only difference is the end they're using: the end of the SM57 makes it better suited for instruments (like a snare drum) due to how close the element is to the... screen. The SM58 is a better vocal mic due to the round "ball" shape (I'm sorry for my terminology.. it's been over 5 years since I've discussed this).

But neither of those mics can hold a candle to a high-end large diaphragm mic. I mean, when you only have one microphone at your disposal, then it's FAR better to have a good large diaphragm condenser instead of a dynamic. This is due to the Proximity Effect of dynamics. Plus, no dynamic can pick up sound as beautifully as a good large diaphragm condenser.

It's like recording a drumset: if I only have enough money for just 2-3 mics, then I am going to buy two good condenser mics for overheads, and one good low-frequency mic for the bass drum (such as the Beta 52, or something comparable). This way I can get the entire drumset with the overheads, and then get the thunder of my bass drum with the Beta52.

But if I just went out and bought like SM57s, then guess what: the recordings would would horrible in comparison. I'd have to EQ everything to death.

This is why we use large diaphragm mics in vocal booths, large diaphragms as drum overheads in the studio (and live if you can afford the possible loss of a mic), large diaphragms for grand pianos, large diaphragms as room mics, etc.


I've heard enough thank you.
In theory, yes a diaphragm would sound better. Not for $150. For $150 you want a dynamic mic, like the Shure SM57 and SM58 - 2 mics that are considered industry standards, both on stage and in the studio. Listen to Metallica? You hear a SM57.
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Listen to Metallica and you'll hear an arsenal of microphones, guitar-amps, pre-amps and recording rooms. The point to be made here is; listen to any band and there's a good chance you'll hear an SM57.

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basically this thing puts out 1500kb/s on audacity in stereo record mode, it can record in 16 bit, 48khz. is this studio quality?
To make it an easy answer, I'm sure there can be find some sort of use for it, but personally I wouldn't be happy if an audio engineer would use that for anything else than a talkback mic.
Though if you already have a table, a Shure SM58 would be a cheaper better solution because it's not an omni.

For instance, when recording guitar, I'd be much happier with a Sennheiser MD 421-II.

Personally I'd label the mic you linked as a consumer microphone rather than a studio microphone. It uses a USB cord, whereas studio microphones go by a standard of XLR's. Not to mention some use phantom power, generally work better with studio tables that have pre-amps, internal clocks that is shared with the computers firewire. Not to mention in general there is even the case that someone might use something like a Focusrite OctoPre as a pre-amp which'll run you at somewhere three times the cost of that mic alone. Not to mention the mics and table they are normally connected to.
Edited by MasterFire - 12/27/10 at 9:50pm
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In theory, yes a diaphragm would sound better. Not for $150. For $150 you want a dynamic mic, like the Shure SM57 and SM58 - 2 mics that are considered industry standard, both on stage and in the studio. Listen to Metallica? You hear a SM57.
lol Metallica. There are better dynamics than the 57/58 for that price. Just because they're the industry standard, it doesn't mean they're the best. It's much more about the money.

But anyway, this is the mic he has, and it's good enough. He received it as a gift, so it's actually better than good enough. Should we really force him to go buy non-USB mics which would mean that he should get a decent mixer too?


I am fully aware that the SM57 is widely used! Do you want to know how many times I've read that it's the "workhorse" in the studio for snare drums?

Anyway, this is all missing the point of Corey's thread.
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I cannot believe the direction this is going in.
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lol Metallica. There are better dynamics than the 57/58 for that price. Just because they're the industry standard, it doesn't mean they're the best. It's much more about the money.

But anyway, this is the mic he has, and it's good enough. He received it as a gift, so it's actually better than good enough. Should we really force him to go buy non-USB mics which would mean that he should get a decent mixer too?


I am fully aware that the SM57 is widely used! Do you want to know how many times I've read that it's the "workhorse" in the studio for snare drums?

Anyway, this is all missing the point of Corey's thread.
57 and 58s are sub standard As an audio engineer. We typically use them for live audio events on the low budget. We also use 418s and if someone wants to pay a little bit more they can choose. The simple fact is they are simple vocal mics in the industry. Real vocalists would prefer a beta 87 or a sen 965. So many mics to choose from though. Most people who prefer better mics will request a specific mic.

As for snares if I have the choice I have my AKG c408 in my kit that I use and love.
    
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Naaaaaaaw, don't be like that TwoCables.

Eh, everyone is entitles to their own opinion in music, I like to offer mine, but try and not enforce it.
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Originally Posted by TwoCables;11800672 
lol Metallica. There are better dynamics than the 57/58 for that price. Just because they're the industry standard, it doesn't mean they're the best. It's much more about the money.

But anyway, this is the mic he has, and it's good enough. He received it as a gift, so it's actually better than good enough. Should we really force him to go buy non-USB mics which would mean that he should get a decent mixer too?


I am fully aware that the SM57 is widely used! Do you want to know how many times I've read that it's the "workhorse" in the studio for snare drums?

Anyway, this is all missing the point of Corey's thread.

Lol im glad you see my point. I got this free. I'm not asking if it's the BEST studio solution hands down. I'm asking is it worth HAVING? Because Its either that or I get an apple keyboard with my gift card. I have a g15, no point.

Is this GOOD ENOUGH to be considered better than cd quality? This is what it comes down to. You people need to actually listen to the recordings and then form an opinion. Keep in mind the second link is BASS ONLY. The first, you can judge the trebble if you want. It has somewhat of speaker placement to it.


Remember, I need stereo. I need at least down to 20 htz and up to 20,000'htz out of my mic, or I'm getting a 4 channel mixer, then multiple mics. I'm not doing that for a simple apple gift card. I was going to get that WAY later down the road (a studio mic) but an opportunity presented itself there. So one last time: is that mic better than cd quality, and is it studio quality (not BEST studio quality, but IS it studio quality?)

And thankyou two cables for actually reading my posts lol
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Anyway, this is all missing the point of Corey's thread.
57 and 58s are sub standard As an audio engineer. We typically use them for live audio events on the low budget. We also use 418s and if someone wants to pay a little bit more they can choose. The simple fact is they are simple vocal mics in the industry. Real vocalists would prefer a beta 87 or a sen 965. So many mics to choose from though. Most people who prefer better mics will request a specific mic.

As for snares if I have the choice I have my AKG c408 in my kit that I use and love.
Precisely.

When the boys are in the studio, they don't care about the mics (I mean come on here... this is Metallica we're talking about). They let everyone else worry about that. But those who ARE worrying about it are choosing mics much better than the 57 and 58. Oh sure maybe they have an SM57 on the snare drum, but that's about it. But that doesn't mean the SM57 is the only thing recording his snare drum. Nope! You also have ridiculously high-end large diaphragm condensers over his drums.

Then there are a few large diaphragm condensers carefully positioned throughout the room. These are called "room mics" due to the way they're being used.

Ah but then what about all the vocals? Large diaphragms with pop filters (those round things with a black screen that kinda looks like pantyhose). Again, they might be using a room mic or two, depending on the result they want.

What about recording their amps? Probably a mix between high-end dynamics and small diaphragm condensers (or large diaphragm, depending on the desired results). Of course, there might be room mics involved again.

SM58s are best left for the stage. But wait a sec.... The Dave Matthews Band doesn't use the SM58 on stage. Instead, they use something entirely different! Dave is actually singing into some high end condenser mic that LOOKS like a dynamic mic. Why? Why not?

I could go on and on and on.

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Lol im glad you see my point.
I confess that I cheated and I read everything you typed so far.

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I got this free. I'm not asking if it's the BEST studio solution hands down. I'm asking is it worth HAVING? Because Its either that or I get an apple keyboard with my gift card. I have a g15, no point.
Let me confess: even I am jealous. So yeah, I think it's very worth having.

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Is this GOOD ENOUGH to be considered better than cd quality? This is what it comes down to. You people need to actually listen to the recordings and then form an opinion. Keep in mind the second link is BASS ONLY. The first, you can judge the trebble if you want. It has somewhat of speaker placement to it.
Meh, I love OCN, but I sincerely believe that the only way you're going to get a clear answer is if you compare for yourself. I mean, just look at what we've seen already.

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Remember, I need stereo. I need at least down to 20 htz and up to 20,000'htz out of my mic, or I'm getting a 4 channel mixer, then multiple mics. I'm not doing that for a simple apple gift card. I was going to get that WAY later down the road (a studio mic) but an opportunity presented itself there. So one last time: is that mic better than cd quality, and is it studio quality (not BEST studio quality, but IS it studio quality?)

And thankyou two cables for actually reading my posts lol
You're welcome.

By the way, it's Hz, not htz. And if you want to say "20,000Hz", then you can also say "20kHz".

Anyway, I think that OCN is not the place to be asking this kind of stuff. I mean, come on: "let's use Metallica as an example". Sigh.

So I'm sorry to say it, but I really do think that you're the only one who can answer this for yourself. But that should actually be somewhat easy as long as you are making very careful comparisons - almost as though you're trying to help someone else figure it out.
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Lol so should I return this thing or not, based on the recording of my hifi setup on the first recording

I don't care if you like dubstep or that song, I don't even like that song, but dubstep is awesome to determine frequency response sound quality and distortion. Judge quality based on SPL to THD ratio and I'm betting you can tell its in a room because Incan with my speakers. But yeah. I want some input on the sound quality to frequency response if possible. I will dismiss your opinion if you don't have a hifi setup that can do 20 htz with over 90 db on your sub with at LEAST under 3% distortion or have headphones that are hifi. If you have a sub that good, I'm assuming your speakers are good enough too lol, but just give a small description of your hifi setup before you judge if you have something to say about the quality of my recording, or you can look like an idiot smile.gif
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