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Originally Posted by Raptor_Jesus View Post
Unfortunately the way you worded the OP was really bad, and you are going to continue getting flamed because people dont read threads before they post around here.
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Originally Posted by BakingSoda View Post
Yeah because everyone here at OCN plays 3dmark.
Called it, didn't I?

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maybe he was referring to how they were very similar in 3D mark 11...not in every damn game....people these days
I will admit, I thought he was trolling. I was giving him a heads up because I knew more would follow, and sure enough they did.
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post #32 of 38
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Called it, didn't I?
Sorry, I saw OP and posted. My bad.
    
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Wow alot of you are just being jerks I never said a c2d can match an i7 I'm not retarded, I'm trying share my findings and my delight that my 570 upgrade has been a great experience and worth it. Perhaps I should have picked a better topic sorry if your that sensitive !
Keep in mind that the average individual here is used to be the smartest person in their little world, so no matter what you say you'll never prove them wrong (in their mind). Knowing that, and knowing that a large percentage of people who post here on a regular basis came into the field roughly about the same time the bottleneck myth started, is enough for us to know they essentially 'grew up' with it, and with many other spouting it off as truth.

The TRUTH is, at modern resolutions, with modern games, and with relatively modern processors, the extra frames you receive with faster processors are meaningless for all but the benchmarking/e-peen crowd.

The TRUTH is, I played around with a single core Celeron last year with a 4870 - albeit moderately overclocked - which demonstrated more than acceptable gaming performance at 1920x1200.

Was it as as fast as a C2D or Quad? No, of course not.

Were there exceptions to the rule? Sure, some games truly do have a lot of physics and whatnot going on the background. Flight Simulator X and any number of strategy games can get fairly demanding at times.

Did it offer enough performance for the average gamer playing a first person shooter? Absolutely, assuming they weren't the snobby types that you have encountered here.

Some people will continue on thinking what they think without bothering to accept that maybe, just maybe, they and the rest of the majority is wrong. Just let them keep thinking that way, it'll be easier. Plus, companies really rely on that ignorance to sell quad core computers to the Best Buy consumer who just wants to get on Facebook and do their taxes.

Better get that extra processor, it's going to make your online experience so much better! /sarcasm

And I'll let myself out before everyone else comes in claiming above-par performance on modern games with a Celeron is impossible...
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Here's an example, I have the ASUS G72GX, my buddy has the G73. We both have identical ram and hard drives, but I run a c2d@2.53 and a GTX260M 1gb, he has an i7@1.6-2.8, and a 5870M 1gb.

Now in pretty much EVERY game we run, he has a substantially higher fps with many more options turned on. c2d=i7 in fps? not at all.
 
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core2 duos have always been the best arch. for 3DMarks (until vantage, but even then the CPU score still doesn't affect too much), and higher clocks are what primarily affect graphics score as far as the CPU's role

but anyway, the only games that really need an X6 or an i7 are bad company 2, DiRT2 and AvP (I know BC2 and DiRT2 can actually utilize 6 cores, so run slightly better on X6 than i7 quads) among a few others, most games still don't need more than a decently clocked dual core (2.5GHz+) hence why most Core2's are just fine for gaming

also you fail to mention what clocks you were at and were comparing to the i7, for all we know you were comparing a stock i7 to your 4.2GHz core2
Edited by skier - 12/27/10 at 10:28pm
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well said techno. I should have changed the topic, look , I am a father of 3 on a budget of a meesly 47k a year, a 600 platform to get 5 more fps just has no warrant for me, and I hope I have helped 1 person decide to go get that new gpu . for example with Just Cause 2 at 1920x1080 4xAA max settings i get an ave of 56.4 fps with my gtx 280 I can very well remember getting high 20s at these settings. now in bc2 where a quad is key here I went from an ave of 42 to 57 , an i7 should get above 70 with this gpu so of course there a is a bottleneck but it is more of a quad vs dual thing than the (c2d will hold back a 570) theory . Now here is an interesting one , keep in mind this is after the black ops latest patch which has a dual core perf boost supposedly, ave 116.2 but this patch was done on the day i got my 570 I know my 280 was sailing around 55 pre-patch. the i7 was at 3569 mhz it was a i7 940
Edited by TckHoles - 12/27/10 at 10:37pm
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post #37 of 38
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Wow alot of you are just being jerks I never said a c2d can match an i7 I'm not retarded, I'm trying share my findings and my delight that my 570 upgrade has been a great experience and worth it. Perhaps I should have picked a better topic sorry if your that sensitive !
Your intention was to show that your platform does not cripple the performance of a single GTX-580 and that many synthetic benchmarks and games substantiate this. This saves people on a budget from wasting money by unnecessarily upgrading their entire platform.

Some people felt you were suggesting that the i7 platform was not an advantage over the Core 2 Duo platform for gaming and folding in all instances. They took the topic of your thread literally.

I'm sure you aren't denying that in a more demanding multi-GPU set-up (especially where very high resolutions and multiple displays are involved), a dual core processor would begin to significantly bottleneck the platform.

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The TRUTH is, I played around with a single core Celeron last year with a 4870 - albeit moderately overclocked - which demonstrated more than acceptable gaming performance at 1920x1200.
Was it as as fast as a C2D or Quad? No, of course not.
There is some truth to this. I was actually able to play Doom 3 maxed out and Crysis on medium with a Celeron D overclocked to 3.6 GHz (9800 GT). However, at stock speeds (2.6 GHz) Doom 3 was choppy and Crysis was almost unplayable. However, on a decent dual core chip (not a Pentium D) the frame rates on recent games were higher.
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post #38 of 38
Bottlenecking a myth?

Even with my HD 4550, bottlenecking happened...

I got upgraded from Pentium D 915 to Phenom II X4 955BE and framerates nearly doubled in all my games!

This is with a FIFTY DOLLAR VIDEO CARD...
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