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i would say the ASUS M4A87TD EVO is still a decent OCer, even if its lacking some cooling, it may not be able to achieve amazing clocks because it will be temp limited, but idk if that is enough to dismiss the board, unless of course there are cheaper, better alternatives... which im sure we can find. smile.gif
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Ok, point 1: WoW is not crazy graphics heavy, a 5770/GTS450 can max it easily at most resolutions.
Point 2: WoW is very CPU heavy, and it's also pretty hard-drive heavy too. My frame rates were very poor on my 555BE at stock with high graphics settings. Unlocked to quad and clocked above 3.6GHz and it flies along.
Point 3: The WoW engine has been updated a lot of late, and since patch 4.0x has made some minor use of DX11, and is definitely best on 3+ cores.

You don't need a mega GPU, anything past a 5770/GTS450 and you can pretty much max it at most resolutions. My GTX460 needed AF/AA turned up to stop falling asleep. You do need high CPU clocks to run at long view distances tho, 3.8Ghz is recommended by me for that. If you get a good chip that will do 3.8 on sensible voltages then the A50 will do fine.

Edit: Since you're getting the 970, which is 3.4GHz stock, then a couple of multiplier increases will do you 100% fine, shouldn't need much of a voltage increase either. Which would help keep your board alive. I do seriously recommend a board with some mosfet cooling tho. You will be drawing a lot of power with a clocked quad. If nothing else, buy some of those stick on mini heatsinks for mosfets.
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Oh yeah, you should go for the ASUS M4A88TD-V instead,
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Originally Posted by allikat;11802947 
Ok, point 1: WoW is not crazy graphics heavy, a 5770/GTS450 can max it easily at most resolutions.
Point 2: WoW is very CPU heavy, and it's also pretty hard-drive heavy too. My frame rates were very poor on my 555BE at stock with high graphics settings. Unlocked to quad and clocked above 3.6GHz and it flies along.
Point 3: The WoW engine has been updated a lot of late, and since patch 4.0x has made some minor use of DX11, and is definitely best on 3+ cores.

You don't need a mega GPU, anything past a 5770/GTS450 and you can pretty much max it at most resolutions. My GTX460 needed AF/AA turned up to stop falling asleep. You do need high CPU clocks to run at long view distances tho, 3.8Ghz is recommended by me for that. If you get a good chip that will do 3.8 on sensible voltages then the A50 will do fine.

all true, WoW and similar games are much more CPU dependent because of the dynamics of characters and gameplay compared to the relative simplicity of the graphic detail of the game.
    
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Thing with the Mobo is i already have it and this is going to be my first build and i will be building another pc after this one because i need the exp doing so. I went with the 470 because i will also play other games besides wow like fps or rts an Diablo 3 when its out for sure and just want to make sure i have the gpu to handle all of my needs. I can buy the mosfet lil coolers if its going to be needed. I went with the x4 965 because its cheap and a nice pick, I did think about going with like maybe a 1100t x6 because at using 3 cores it would clock at 3.7 but the price difference is a lot so i thought of maybe just grabbing a crucial 6gbs ssd with the 965 x4. for Cpu heatsink was the Frio not a great pick i noticed you guys said to use a different one.
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Originally Posted by Sainix;11806148 
Thing with the Mobo is i already have it and this is going to be my first build and i will be building another pc after this one because i need the exp doing so. I went with the 470 because i will also play other games besides wow like fps or rts an Diablo 3 when its out for sure and just want to make sure i have the gpu to handle all of my needs. I can buy the mosfet lil coolers if its going to be needed. I went with the x4 965 because its cheap and a nice pick, I did think about going with like maybe a 1100t x6 because at using 3 cores it would clock at 3.7 but the price difference is a lot so i thought of maybe just grabbing a crucial 6gbs ssd with the 965 x4. for Cpu heatsink was the Frio not a great pick i noticed you guys said to use a different one.

World of Warcraft is optimized for Intel hardware for some reason. Mine as well wait 12 days for Sandy Bridge or get an i5 760 rather than an equivalent AMD offering.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-directx-11-performance,2793.html
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Originally Posted by KittensMewMew;11806240 
World of Warcraft is optimized for Intel hardware for some reason. Mine as well wait 12 days for Sandy Bridge or get an i5 760 rather than an equivalent AMD offering.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-directx-11-performance,2793.html

My next build will be an intel and i will probly go with Sandy Bridge but for now i want to build this amd cause of budget at the moment and need of a better computer fast.
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post #18 of 31
You really only need a GTX 460 to play at max settings at 1920x1080 as seen here:

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So with that in mind:

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Wait 12 days and replace the i5 760 and mobo with a i5 2500K and P67 motherboard, it'll be about the same price.
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Incoming "Hammer of teh WoW Law"!

WoW, still only 2 threads...

That's right people, WoW is still only coded to use a max of 100% of 2 threads at any given time, no matter what you do, and I really do mean no matter what. I have yet to see someone come up with a work-around that actually forces WoW to utilize more than 2 logical cpus at more than 100%. If anyone wants to post a screenshot of their task manager utilizing more than 2 core feel free to. I will quote your post and kindly explain to you why you are incorrect in thinking WoW utilizes more than 2 logical CPUs at 100%.

WoW is not GPU heavy, at all... I used to say a 9800 GTX+ will run it full out. They have since added in some things that get comp'd on the GPU since Cata. I have now upgraded my goto card to that of a GTX 260, and nothing more. Now if you are going above 1920x1200, then you WILL need more GPU. I repeat, you WILL need more GPU.

RAM: 2GB is all that is needed. I wouldn't recommened building a system with less than 4GB nowadays though.

If you want WoW to run very fast you are going to have to overclock your CPU. Period, end of sentence, I am not taking questions, leave it alone.

This is why I don't recommend quad-cores to people building WoW specific machines. It makes much more sense to go with a tri-core and overclock the crap outta it because you get the same performance with less heat. I know tri-cores may not be practical now. What I am trying to say is, keep the heat down as much as you can so that you can overclock more. Nothing is worse than having a chip that can be pushed further, but not having the cooling to do so.

SSD's... There is a lot of confusion about just what a SSD will do for WoW. To clarify, a SSD will not increase your FPS. It will increase the loading speed of all the objects in WoW though. Players, mounts, enemies, planters, pots, objects inside the world that are not the world themself, all get loaded separately after you log into the world. These take time to load and can bog down a system, making it seem slower even though your actual FPS aren't taking a huge hit. A SSD will help correct this problem.

DX11. There is no DX11 in the unmodified version of the release client right now. You can access a mock version of true DX11 by adding tags to the end of your shortcut and modding you config file. You lose some key features like crisp edging on water but you can some other features like spell reflection in water. You will need a true DX11 card to run the work-around but to be honest I don't think WoW will ever truly implement a full version of DX11 and if they do it will either be very soon or never. The current unmodified release is merely DX9 with some features built in it that mimick DX11.

In summary, GTX 260 or better, VERY fast CPU (4.0Ghz +), SSD, 4GB RAM.

Sorry for the wall of text.

Your ideal build for a WoW machine, at least IMO, would be a Core i3 (with some beastly cooling and overclocked to the brink) w/ 4GB dual channel 1600mhz DDR3 and a GTX 560 when they come out with a SSD.
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cant find anything i disagree with.

tho this is is WoW specific. and other games will need more
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