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post #21 of 31
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Originally Posted by Shrimpykins;11806772 
Incoming "Hammer of teh WoW Law"!

WoW, still only 2 threads...

That's right people, WoW is still only coded to use a max of 100% of 2 threads at any given time, no matter what you do, and I really do mean no matter what. I have yet to see someone come up with a work-around that actually forces WoW to utilize more than 2 logical cpus at more than 100%. If anyone wants to post a screenshot of their task manager utilizing more than 2 core feel free to. I will quote your post and kindly explain to you why you are incorrect in thinking WoW utilizes more than 2 logical CPUs at 100%.

WoW is not GPU heavy, at all... I used to say a 9800 GTX+ will run it full out. They have since added in some things that get comp'd on the GPU since Cata. I have now upgraded my goto card to that of a GTX 260, and nothing more. Now if you are going above 1920x1200, then you WILL need more GPU. I repeat, you WILL need more GPU.

RAM: 2GB is all that is needed. I wouldn't recommened building a system with less than 4GB nowadays though.

If you want WoW to run very fast you are going to have to overclock your CPU. Period, end of sentence, I am not taking questions, leave it alone.

This is why I don't recommend quad-cores to people building WoW specific machines. It makes much more sense to go with a tri-core and overclock the crap outta it because you get the same performance with less heat. I know tri-cores may not be practical now. What I am trying to say is, keep the heat down as much as you can so that you can overclock more. Nothing is worse than having a chip that can be pushed further, but not having the cooling to do so.

SSD's... There is a lot of confusion about just what a SSD will do for WoW. To clarify, a SSD will not increase your FPS. It will increase the loading speed of all the objects in WoW though. Players, mounts, enemies, planters, pots, objects inside the world that are not the world themself, all get loaded separately after you log into the world. These take time to load and can bog down a system, making it seem slower even though your actual FPS aren't taking a huge hit. A SSD will help correct this problem.

DX11. There is no DX11 in the unmodified version of the release client right now. You can access a mock version of true DX11 by adding tags to the end of your shortcut and modding you config file. You lose some key features like crisp edging on water but you can some other features like spell reflection in water. You will need a true DX11 card to run the work-around but to be honest I don't think WoW will ever truly implement a full version of DX11 and if they do it will either be very soon or never. The current unmodified release is merely DX9 with some features built in it that mimick DX11.

In summary, GTX 260 or better, VERY fast CPU (4.0Ghz +), SSD, 4GB RAM.

Sorry for the wall of text.

Your ideal build for a WoW machine, at least IMO, would be a Core i3 (with some beastly cooling and overclocked to the brink) w/ 4GB dual channel 1600mhz DDR3 and a GTX 560 when they come out with a SSD.

Being that the OP stated that he is planning on playing other games in the FPS and RTS realm of gaming, A Core I3 will not suffice. Especially if he plays games such as BFBC2, or any other game that is threaded for 3+ cores.

If he were solely playing Wow, you would be right as far as maxing out a dual core, but it never hurts to have a future proofed system, and a minimum of a quad is almost implied with current builds for gaming because of the multithreading nature of some of the newer games. Not all games use more than 2 cores, and I dont disagree with you on the dual core system for strictly wow, because I used to play with an E8400 @ 4.0ghz, and it was fine. However purely for the sake of other unknown games, its best to shoot for a quad or more if its within the OP's budget.

I like XD 1771's build from page 1, it will take anything you throw at it. However with the motherboard already spoken for, the x6's arent the best choice. It can still be done, you will just lose some headroom for OC'ing, and it wont be as stable as it would be with a better board. I still am leaning towards his build, pretty sick combos in there.
post #22 of 31
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Being that the OP stated that he is planning on playing other games in the FPS and RTS realm of gaming, A Core I3 will not suffice. Especially if he plays games such as BFBC2, or any other game that is threaded for 3+ cores.

If he were solely playing Wow, you would be right as far as maxing out a dual core, but it never hurts to have a future proofed system, and a minimum of a quad is almost implied with current builds for gaming because of the multithreading nature of some of the newer games. Not all games use more than 2 cores, and I dont disagree with you on the dual core system for strictly wow, because I used to play with an E8400 @ 4.0ghz, and it was fine. However purely for the sake of other unknown games, its best to shoot for a quad or more if its within the OP's budget.

I like XD 1771's build from page 1, it will take anything you throw at it. However with the motherboard already spoken for, the x6's arent the best choice. It can still be done, you will just lose some headroom for OC'ing, and it wont be as stable as it would be with a better board. I still am leaning towards his build, pretty sick combos in there.
i3 is basically as good as a quad-core. It's a dual with hyperthreading. You get the benefit of the extra 2 logical CPU's without the heat from the extra physical CPU's.

BFBC2 uses a max of 4 cores IIRC, so even then an i3 would suit it well. A highly overclocked i3 is one hell of a gaming CPU.
 
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i3 is basically as good as a quad-core. It's a dual with hyperthreading. You get the benefit of the extra 2 logical CPU's without the heat from the extra physical CPU's.

BFBC2 uses a max of 4 cores IIRC, so even then an i3 would suit it well. A highly overclocked i3 is one hell of a gaming CPU.
My bad, I thought the I3 was only 2c/2t, I must have been thinking about the upcoming I3 SB version. Seen too many processor specs lately to keep everything in my head lol.

At any rate, after further evaluation from Alien Babel Tech, BFBC2 does utilize 4 cores, and they used an I7 with HT turned off so its not clear as to whether it uses more than that. They did however disable 2 cores with HT off to find that it still ran BFBC2 the same, just with more cpu utilization per core. So even a dual can run that particular game.

Its up to the OP at this point, the I3 would work, I would prefer to have a quad myself, because in certain applications having the extra 2 cores makes a difference over HT, but thats just my opinion. If the OP is only concerned with gaming, he may not even notice the difference so long as he compensates with a strong GPU.

Alternatively, if the OP decides that he wants to stay with an AMD setup, he can go for a http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103846 , in many cases it can be unlocked to a quad, and is $30 cheaper than the I3 offering.
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My bad, I thought the I3 was only 2c/2t, I must have been thinking about the upcoming I3 SB version. Seen too many processor specs lately to keep everything in my head lol.

At any rate, after further evaluation from Alien Babel Tech, BFBC2 does utilize 4 cores, and they used an I7 with HT turned off so its not clear as to whether it uses more than that. They did however disable 2 cores with HT off to find that it still ran BFBC2 the same, just with more cpu utilization per core. So even a dual can run that particular game.

Its up to the OP at this point, the I3 would work, I would prefer to have a quad myself, because in certain applications having the extra 2 cores makes a difference over HT, but thats just my opinion. If the OP is only concerned with gaming, he may not even notice the difference so long as he compensates with a strong GPU.

Alternatively, if the OP decides that he wants to stay with an AMD setup, he can go for a http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103846 , in many cases it can be unlocked to a quad, and is $30 cheaper than the I3 offering.
Sticking with amd for build, gaming is my concern also for now. Also just want the exp of building because im doing computer sci major and need to start doing builds and getting hands on experience. Like i said im going to do another build probly in a few months and im going intel on that one but for now i went amd gaming. I like all the suggestions i have received so far =] very informational.
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Sorry for double post but if a motherboard says pic 2.0 and a gpu says 2.1 will that work?
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Sorry for double post but if a motherboard says pic 2.0 and a gpu says 2.1 will that work?
yeah, its all backwards compatible.
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yeah, its all backwards compatible.
Oh so do i do anything different when installing it?
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Oh so do i do anything different when installing it?
no, it will just revert to PCI-E 2.0 operation by default.
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2.1 is an extremely small difference I think, and is not even mainstream in most motherboards yet. PCI-E is backwards compatible, a PCI-E 1.0 device in a 2.0 slot (and vice versa) will work, though may have some limitations.
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World of Warcraft is optimized for Intel hardware for some reason. Mine as well wait 12 days for Sandy Bridge or get an i5 760 rather than an equivalent AMD offering.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ance,2793.html
Yeah I was going to mention this, having recently read that review myself I was surprised what a difference there was between AMD/Intel for the framerates you get in the game, I believe it was as much as 60 FPS in some cases lower with the AMD chips. I would say if you mainly want the PC for WoW I would at least spring for a midrange Intel chip over a higher end AMD chip. Also one thing I noticed that massively improved load times in WoW is using a SSD. I saw a review and the guy compared times for loading into WoW and the difference was amazing.

You also said that even if you choose AMD now you will do another Intel build in the future, IMO I would just do one build now and you should be good for a while, and it would end up being cheaper if you are just going to end up going to Intel anyway to just start with Intel in the beginning.

For me personally I am about to upgrade and for a while I was considering going back to AMD but after seeing that major performance gap in that Tom's Hardware review I don't really feel I would get the satisfaction of having sub-par performance from a CPU that is otherwise equal in every way to its Intel counterparts. The way I look at it is even if you plan to play many other games in addition to WoW, the Intel chip will be just as good as the AMD in each of the other games, and it will give you the best performance available in WoW... even though it may be a little more money that will just save you the trouble of having to do a build now and another build shortly after.
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