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post #101 of 202
Stop the fighting lol...

Both sides have good points. I am going to side with twocables on this one. Simply because the PSU should survive a few months and in that time he can save to upgrade to a better PSU. Would you rather buy a cheaper video card and a PSU for less performance today. OR more performance today with a lesser PSU?

If you buy the lesser video card with a modest PSU you will end up having to upgrade the more expensive part later. I would rather buy the expensive part first and upgrade the cheaper part later and save some money.

Scenario...
1. Buy 6950 FOR $300 AND BUY A $75 PSU later total $375
2. Buy a 6870 for $230 with a $70 PSU for $300 and try and trade up to a 6950? I do not see how this will happen for $75...
    
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post #102 of 202
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Originally Posted by SpookedJunglist View Post
Stop the fighting lol...

Both sides have good points. I am going to side with twocables on this one. Simply because the PSU should survive a few months and in that time he can save to upgrade to a better PSU. Would you rather buy a cheaper video card and a PSU for less performance today. OR more performance today with a lesser PSU?

If you buy the lesser video card with a modest PSU you will end up having to upgrade the more expensive part later. I would rather buy the expensive part first and upgrade the cheaper part later and save some money.

Scenario...
1. Buy 6950 FOR $300 AND BUY A $75 PSU later total $375
2. Buy a 6870 for $230 with a $70 PSU for $300 and try and trade up to a 6950? I do not see how this will happen for $75...

I would agree with TwoCables as well.

Do note that however well cards scale in CrossFire or SLi, they will never have performance as smooth as a single card.
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Here, since you guys keep liking to look at what AMD recommends.....



That PSU cannot do 500w on the 12v rail, which is what they are likely calling for on that 500w recommendation. I could care less if you are talking peak or continuous power or not at this point. This unit can't do 500w ANYWHERE on it. So its not enough power for that GPU, even if the GPU wants 500w on a cheap unit. The ONLY place that this unit in question can do 500w is on the "600w" sticker. Nothing else can come even CLOSE to it.



Here is the original sticker for comparison, so you can see what all the other ratings are. Also notice how it has a high 3.3 and 5v rail. This means its a considerably older design. Which again, means it can't put out anywhere NEAR what it says it can (which you can already tell since its rated in "peak" power).

I still say get a PSU now.

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post #104 of 202
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Originally Posted by SpookedJunglist View Post
Stop the fighting lol...

Both sides have good points. I am going to side with twocables on this one. Simply because the PSU should survive a few months and in that time he can save to upgrade to a better PSU. Would you rather buy a cheaper video card and a PSU for less performance today. OR more performance today with a lesser PSU?

If you buy the lesser video card with a modest PSU you will end up having to upgrade the more expensive part later. I would rather buy the expensive part first and upgrade the cheaper part later and save some money.

Scenario...
1. Buy 6950 FOR $300 AND BUY A $75 PSU later total $375
2. Buy a 6870 for $230 with a $70 PSU for $300 and try and trade up to a 6950? I do not see how this will happen for $75...
I can't thank you enough.

This is basically all I was thinking. But for some reason, I was having some kind of block that preventing me from seeing that all I had to say was said here.
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post #105 of 202
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Originally Posted by SpookedJunglist View Post
Stop the fighting lol...

Both sides have good points. I am going to side with twocables on this one. Simply because the PSU should survive a few months and in that time he can save to upgrade to a better PSU. Would you rather buy a cheaper video card and a PSU for less performance today. OR more performance today with a lesser PSU?

If you buy the lesser video card with a modest PSU you will end up having to upgrade the more expensive part later. I would rather buy the expensive part first and upgrade the cheaper part later and save some money.

Scenario...
1. Buy 6950 FOR $300 AND BUY A $75 PSU later total $375
2. Buy a 6870 for $230 with a $70 PSU for $300 and try and trade up to a 6950? I do not see how this will happen for $75...
Yes! Scenario 1 is possible for me, in a few months I can even buy a Corsair 650w
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post #106 of 202
Dammit, pioneerisloud. I told you to stop. Do you really want me to hate you or what? It sure as hell seems like you're just hell-bent and determined to piss me off so much that I end up being your enemy.

Just BACK OFF!!!!

I've seen that damn sticker about a thousand times already, so just back off!
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Sigh. Anyway...

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Yes! Scenario 1 is possible for me, in a few months I can even buy a Corsair 650w
During the next several months or more, you can spend a GREAT deal of time here on OCN learning about the different power supplies that you can get. I mean, Corsair isn't the best of the best.

Regardless, it's not a dire situation. Yes, ok... everyone here knows that I know that this Coolmax isn't the BEST.. but it's not like you're going to do extreme overclocking. All you want to do is get your game on, right?
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Dammit, pioneerisloud. I told you to stop. Do you really want me to hate you or what? It sure as hell seems like you're just hell-bent and determined to piss me off so much that I end up being your enemy.

Just BACK OFF!!!!
I wasn't talking directly to you. You cannot tell me to leave a thread, you are not my mother.

On topic:
Notice how on the AMD specification sheet, it ALSO says you need 2x 6pin connectors with 75w each. That's 150w of potential draw right there. Not to mention that the PCIe lane can ALSO put out up to 150w of power. Which in turn means you could POTENTIALLY pull UP TO 300w worth of power with that graphics card (assuming all things perfect, and obviously a super high overclock with overvolting....but that's not the point). 300w worth of potential power draw, on a unit that can't even produce 300w isn't going to work very long.

If you HONESTLY KNOW that you'll be able to afford a new power supply in a few months, go for it and get the 6950 now. That CoolMax unit will probably last a FEW MONTHS. But I would NOT push it longer than that.
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post #109 of 202
this thread is hilarious LOL

what's that saying about arguing on the internet....

and imo, it's worth investing in a good psu, not only because psu is the most important part of your system, but also cus you have headroom for future upgrades.. just say no to coolmax.. for $70 get an antec or something
Edited by koven - 12/28/10 at 1:25am
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Max power draw as tested by Maximum pc is 200 watts. Both of those rails have 200+ each. I think you misunderstand the rating system. Amd is talking about a power suply with a total of 500 watts. This power supply has 420 wats on the 12v rails, and 120 wats on the 3 and 5 volt rails. That is a total of 600 watts.

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