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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud View Post


That shows that the 6950 at STOCK will pull 169w with Furmark. That's JUST the GPU. Add the rest of the system in, that's a good 250-300w worth of draw off the PSU during gaming. That PSU can only put out around 200-300w continuous. Again, it WILL NOT WORK for very long at all at those kind of loads, period.
I'll break this down again:

His PSU has a 420W +12V capacity. According to this graphic, if the 6950 is overclocked by 20%, then it can draw 189W.

So, 420 minus 189 is 231. That means 231 will be left over on the +12V for the rest of the system. That's more than enough.

But what if he decides to mod it as shown by the article where this graphic came from? Ok, cool.

420 minus 202 equals 218. That's 218W left on the +12V. Again, that's more than enough.

But what if he decided to overclock it while it's modded? What is that, 252? Ok!

420 minus 252 equals 168W left. Now that's cutting it close.


But MOST of the time, his card would be pulling less power because these are power draw readings while running Furmark, not some video game.
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post #162 of 202
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post
I'll break this down again:

His PSU has a 420W +12V capacity. According to this graphic, if the 6950 is overclocked by 20%, then it can draw 189W.

So, 420 minus 189 is 231. That means 231 will be left over on the +12V for the rest of the system. That's more than enough.

But what if he decides to mod it as shown by the article where this graphic came from? Ok, cool.

420 minus 202 equals 218. That's 218W left on the +12V.

But what if he decided to overclock it while it's modded? What is that, 252? Ok!

420 minus 252 equals 168W left. Now that's cutting it close.


But MOST of the time, his card would be pulling MUCH less power because these are power draw readings while running Furmark, not some video game.
but you cant really call it 420w, because it is probably rated at something like 30c
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post #163 of 202
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post
I'll break this down again:

His PSU has a 420W +12V capacity. According to this graphic, if the 6950 is overclocked by 20%, then it can draw 189W.

So, 420 minus 189 is 231. That means 231 will be left over on the +12V for the rest of the system.

But what if he decides to mod it as shown by the article where this graphic came from? Ok, cool.

420 minus 202 equals 218. That's 218W left on the +12V.

But what if he decided to overclock it while it's modded? What is that, 252? Ok!

420 minus 252 equals 168W left. Now that's cutting it close.
And I will break this down again, you are taking superficial ratings. 420w peak means absolutely jack. Peak power is a joke, and means NOTHING. They could have said its a 1000w peak power unit, and still get away with 250w continuous.

I know you're not as into audio as I am, but wattage is wattage, so here's an example.

Sony XPlod 12" subwoofer. Handles 1200w peak, 150w continuous. Put 1200w to that subwoofer, you'll pop the cone clear off of it.

The same thing goes the other way with power supplies. If you try to pull the PEAK power from that unit, it WILL pop it, because it cannot handle that kind of load. This is why I'm saying its only a 200-300w unit, because that's in the general area of where it ACTUALLY can put out.
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post #164 of 202
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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud View Post
And that would be a CONTINUOUS load on the power supply, while he is in game. That unit is only capable of 200-300w continuous load. It's a HUGE stretch.
Come on now. It's not a 600W, but only 300W continuous? I wouldn't buy one for one of my systems nor would I ever recommend one, but it's not the end of the world. Did you even read the review I linked to. The 500W based on the same design could do 400W in a hot-box. The 600W model will likely be around 500W. From what I can tell, the 6950 draws somewhere around the same as a 5870. I know from my own testing that a 5870 draws around 150-160W peak while gaming. It's adding about 70W more draw to his current rig, it'll likely be fine. If anything he could go for a 6870/gtx460 and would certainly be fine and would be a huge upgrade from the 8800gt
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but you cant really call it 420w, because it is probably rated at something like 30c
I'm talking about the +12V capacity.

As shinji2k said, this PSU is better thought of as a 500W, which is what I said way earlier.

But regardless, this thread has been a huge waste of time because the answer is simple and straight forward.
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Come on now. It's not a 600W, but only 300W continuous? I wouldn't buy one for one of my systems nor would I ever recommend one, but it's not the end of the world. Did you even read the review I linked to. The 500W based on the same design could do 400W comfortably in a hot-box. The 600W model will likely be around 500W. From what I can tell, the 6950 draws somewhere around the same as a 5870. I know from my own testing that a 5870 draws around 150-160W peak while gaming. It's adding about 70W more draw to his current rig, it'll likely be fine. If anything he could go for a 6870/gtx460 and would certainly be fine and would be a huge upgrade from the 8800gt
Yes, but he also stated that a 9800GX2 causes his PSU to shut down. 9800GX2 (due to scaling issues) will draw very close to the same amount of power as the 6950 will.
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Come on now. It's not a 600W, but only 300W continuous? I wouldn't buy one for one of my systems nor would I ever recommend one, but it's not the end of the world. From what I can tell, the 6950 draws somewhere around the same as a 5870. I know from my own testing that a 5870 draws around 150-160W peak while gaming. It's adding about 70W more draw to his current rig, it'll likely be fine. If anything he could go for a 6870/gtx460 and would certainly be fine and would be a huge upgrade from the 8800gt
Thank you for your time, shinji! I'm sorry that this thread is the way it is.

According to that graphic, the 6950 can draw 189W if it's overclocked 20%. So considering that and considering which PSU he has, can you agree that it would be fine and it would be enough power? I mean I agree: it's not the end of the world if he's using a less-than-stellar PSU. At least it's not a $20 600W.
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I'm talking about the +12V capacity.

As shinji2k said, this PSU is better thought of as a 500W, which is what I said way earlier.

But regardless, this thread has been a huge waste of time because the answer is simple and straight forward.
but a crappy 30c rated 500w at that
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but a crappy 30c rated 500w at that
How do you know? I mean, can you prove it? I haven't seen proof that it's rated for 30°C.
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How do you know? I mean, can you prove it? I haven't seen proof that it's rated for 30°C.
It is probably rated at 30c (or similar) like most of coolmax' stuff
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RAMHard DriveOSMonitor
1GB DDR 333MHz Samsung Spinpoint 250GB Windows XP Professional 1920X1200 Integrated LCD 
Case
Alienware M9700 chassis 
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Core i7 3615QM @2.3GHz Apple Logic Board Intel HD 4000 Nvidia GT 650M 512MB 
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16GB 1600MHz DDR3 500GB Samsung 840  OSX 10.10 1440x900  
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85W PSU Schiit Modi Schiit Magni 2 Über DT770 Pro 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 3770K MSI Z77 Big Bang MPower Radeon R9 270X 4X4GB G.Skill  
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Intel X25-V Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Life without walls? Who needs windows? Acer 
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G15 Raidmax RX-1000AE Brooks shoebox  Acer G500 
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CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
AMD Turion ML-42 2.4GHz AMD Turion ML-40 Alienware nForce3 2X nVidia GeForce Go 7900GS SLI 
RAMHard DriveOSMonitor
1GB DDR 333MHz Samsung Spinpoint 250GB Windows XP Professional 1920X1200 Integrated LCD 
Case
Alienware M9700 chassis 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Core i7 3615QM @2.3GHz Apple Logic Board Intel HD 4000 Nvidia GT 650M 512MB 
RAMHard DriveOSMonitor
16GB 1600MHz DDR3 500GB Samsung 840  OSX 10.10 1440x900  
PowerAudioAudioAudio
85W PSU Schiit Modi Schiit Magni 2 Über DT770 Pro 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 3770K MSI Z77 Big Bang MPower Radeon R9 270X 4X4GB G.Skill  
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Intel X25-V Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Life without walls? Who needs windows? Acer 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
G15 Raidmax RX-1000AE Brooks shoebox  Acer G500 
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