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Poll Results: (4.3 HT On) Worth the money or Worthless?

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  • 60% of voters (9)
    The (Speed, Temp, Performance...) Worth The $$$
  • 40% of voters (6)
    The (Speed, Temp, Performance...) Not Worth The $$$
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post #11 of 47
He isn't asking if HT on is worth it.

He is asking if it was worth it to invest ~$500 on watercooling for the overclock he was able to get.

So is watercooling worth it? It depends on your state of mind.

Is watercooling financially worth it? Again it depends on your state of mind.

Is watercooling financially worth it based on gained computing power alone? No.
 
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post #12 of 47
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I agree with your family. The temps you are posting are quite high even w/HT on @4.3GHz. Either you did something horribly wrong or you got ripped off.
No they aren't. For a Rasa kit @ 1.38v that's about right.
post #13 of 47
So what exactly do they want you to spend your money on instead? It's your money.

On a side note, I would just buy a 920 chip that does 4.3 hton on air, but that watercooling setup would last you through multiple chips(sandy bridge, ivy bridge, etc.)

With my old 920, if I had watercooling, I could run it at 4.7ghz htoff. It only needed 1.4v for it lol.
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post #14 of 47
It's all opinion, but I feel water cooling is a wasted expense. I totally understand you hobbyists just like to squeeze every drop out of an overclock, but getting 200-300 extra MHz is NOT worth ~$500 to me. I'd prefer using those $500 on the next major release of CPUs/GPUs like a 2600k + good motherboard, or a GTX580, or 2 GTX570s. Everyone anticipates that the 2600k is capable of 4.5GHz on air, making your water cooling pretty inferior for the cost if it's only letting you hit 4.3 on a 950. A ~$25 air cooler (see my 212+) does the job just about as fine, I've done 4.0GHz on a 950 with it for a few friends' builds.

So, all in all, I suggest returning (if you can) or reselling all that and just stash the cash for upgrades next year. Heck, if you're just insistent on spending it now towards your PC, just get a GTX580 or 2 6950s.
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post #15 of 47
First thing I would say about your oc is have you tried to lower your vcore? I realize when you get that high of an oc it takes alot of volts for small increase in freq but I'm stable at 4.2ghz with 1.3128vcore, 1.30qpi. I'm on air so max temp for me in LinX is 81.

Is it worth it, that is a personal preference, it sounds like it's worth it to you for sure!

I also have been looking at getting a water cooling loop for mine so I can keep good temps in the summer and understand that's it is expensive. For now, air is fine for me (winter) but I imagine once it starts to get hot outside, it will become something I will want to do.
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post #16 of 47
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It's all opinion, but I feel water cooling is a wasted expense. I totally understand you hobbyists just like to squeeze every drop out of an overclock, but getting 200-300 extra MHz is NOT worth ~$500 to me. I'd prefer using those $500 on the next major release of CPUs/GPUs like a 2600k + good motherboard, or a GTX580, or 2 GTX570s. Everyone anticipates that the 2600k is capable of 4.5GHz on air, making your water cooling pretty inferior for the cost if it's only letting you hit 4.3 on a 950.
Some people do it for the noise. For instance, I got rid of 2 120mm fans on my CPU and my loud ass GTX 285 fans that I had to run at 80%+ to keep them cool. Now I run 4 120x38mm Panaflo's on the very lowest they can be run from my fan controller. I went from having 4 noisy fans to 4 fans that I can't hear over my NB fan even when all 4 are on and running. That alone was worth the money for me. I keep my huge overclocks and reduce the noise at the same time.
 
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post #17 of 47
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It's all opinion, but I feel water cooling is a wasted expense. I totally understand you hobbyists just like to squeeze every drop out of an overclock, but getting 200-300 extra MHz is NOT worth ~$500 to me. I'd prefer using those $500 on the next major release of CPUs/GPUs like a 2600k + good motherboard, or a GTX580, or 2 GTX570s. Everyone anticipates that the 2600k is capable of 4.5GHz on air, making your water cooling pretty inferior for the cost if it's only letting you hit 4.3 on a 950. A ~$25 air cooler (see my 212+) does the job just about as fine, I've done 4.0GHz on a 950 with it for a few friends' builds.
Of course most of the air coolers are going to disagree. If they didn't they would be water cooling. Same for water coolers, most are probably going to agree with money well spent or else they would be air cooling.

What's done is done OP you might as well be happy with it. Who cares what your wife thinks. If every man on earth did what his wife thought, oh god I shuddered I don't even want to think about it.
post #18 of 47
Keep it, you'll be able to use it several builds down the line.
post #19 of 47
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Some people do it for the noise. For instance, I got rid of 2 120mm fans on my CPU and my loud ass GTX 285 fans that I had to run at 80%+ to keep them cool. Now I run 4 120x38mm Panaflo's on the very lowest they can be run from my fan controller. I went from having 4 noisy fans to 4 fans that I can't hear over my NB fan even when all 4 are on and running. That alone was worth the money for me. I keep my huge overclocks and reduce the noise at the same time.
Well, I actually have a pretty strong defense against the noise concern. Just as in your case, a simple fan swap would take care of it; no need to go spend ridiculous money on a water cooling setup just to eliminate noise. That's like saying "I'm sick of taking out the trash, I'm going to get a huge garbage can and just load it up to the rim so I only have to take it out once a month." (That would be one stinky house) I literally JUST got an Accelero Xtreme cooler for my 4870X2. My 4870X2 ran EXTREMELY hot, at times over 100C with the fan at 100%. At 100%, that stock fan is LOUD, about equivalent to a blow dryer inside my case.

Now with the Accelero, the fans (it has 3) at 100% are quieter than the stock fan was at 40%. I'm not kidding nor exaggerating. If you put your ear to my case, you can't hear the difference between 40% and 100% fan on my 4870X2. $50 investment took care of that problem.

The HAF 932's fans are all very silent, as is the stock 212+ fan. My PC now is absolutely inaudible with the entire room being in dead silence, other than this new rattling that just started last night from the front drive shields; probably an easy fix. I don't even have a fan controller, all my case fans just run full speed. I have rear, side, front, top fans, plus my 212+ fan, plus the 3 Accelero GPU fans.

I have a Flip HD if you want to argue that my PC can't possibly be so quiet. Noise is easily killable if you do have loud fans. About ~$50 in fans whoops a $200 water cooling setup if you're getting the water cooling setup only for noise. (Yea right, find a $200 water cooling setup)
Edited by Stealth Pyros - 12/28/10 at 12:27pm
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post #20 of 47
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Well, I actually have a pretty strong defense against the noise concern. Just as in your case, a simple fan swap would take care of it; no need to go spend ridiculous money on a water cooling setup just to eliminate noise. That's like saying "I'm sick of taking out the trash, I'm going to get a huge garbage can and just load it up to the rim so I only have to take it out once a month." (That would be one stinky house) I literally JUST got an Accelero Xtreme cooler for my 4870X2. My 4870X2 ran EXTREMELY hot, at times over 100C with the fan at 100%. At 100%, that stock fan is LOUD, about equivalent to a blow dryer inside my case.

Now with the Accelero, the fans (it has 3) at 100% are quieter than the stock fan was at 40%. I'm not kidding nor exaggerating. If you put your ear to my case, you can't hear the difference between 40% and 100% fan on my 4870X2. $50 investment took care of that problem.

The HAF 932's fans are all very silent, as is the stock 212+ fan. My PC now is absolutely inaudible with the entire room being in dead silence, other than this new rattling that just started last night from the front drive shields; probably an easy fix. I don't even have a fan controller, all my case fans just run full speed. I have rear, side, front, top fans, plus my 212+ fan, plus the 3 Accelero GPU fans.

I have a Flip HD if you want to argue that my PC can't possibly be so quiet. Noise is easily killable if you do have loud fans. About ~$50 in fans whoops a $200 water cooling setup if you're getting the water cooling setup only for noise. (Yea right, find a $200 water cooling setup)
No doubt, but I bet with a low-noise air setup you aren't getting as good of temps as with a low-noise water setup. That's the problem with air, heat capacity.

Let's put it this way, my NB fan, that tiny little iono, maybe 40mm fan, for my NB heatsink, on 50% is louder than my 4 panaflo's on low and those 4 panaflo's keep my q9650 and my two GTX 285's chilled way down low.

Right now my pump and my NB are the only two things I hear, otherwise the vent for the A/C in my room is the loudest thing.

Don't get me wrong, not trying to argue that WCing is every a financially beneficial venture, it isn't, but it definately provides benefits that just can't be met 100% with air-cooling. You can get close though.
Edited by Shrimpykins - 12/28/10 at 12:32pm
 
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