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As long as you have a case with decent airflow, radial fan designs that exhaust internally are not an issue. Exhaust temperatures are much lower than reference turbine designs. Personally, I will never ever ever buy another reference card unless I intend to install aftermarket cooling.

The difference in sound levels and temperatures between my Twin Frozr II and reference GTX400 series cards that I have tested is so immense that words cannot do it justice.
This.
Even the stock fans in my LianLi only struggle when I've got the CPU and the GPU on a full load (Eg. F@H) and even then, turning the fans to 100% fixes that.
    
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Hmmm...


The main thing i can say this is my loving to MSI
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People who buy these lightning models usually got the cabbage. Why you guys at MSI have not made a deal with EK waterblocks or DD or any other manufacturer to make custom full cover blocks for the lightning models?

Its not necessary to only sell ones with the waterblocks installed, simply sell the block separately or make another side model with the waterblock already installed, its your call.
Air cooling is a big problem here. We need water.
There are a handful of people that would buy it, i know i would if it would be available.
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Custom water blocks would probably make everything more expensive.
The 480 lightning is great on air, matches my best evga 480sc on water, does better on stock air than 2 other 480 sc on water.
I need to try out my 480 lightning on ln2, been putting it off too long, x-mas is over now...
Can't wait to see the 580 lightning, the coolers look a bit nicer than the 480s.
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Why?

In a nutshell.... costs of running a business.

- RMA costs
- R&D costs
- Thermal design costs

Additionally, what is the benefit of having EK or DD or some other waterblock that is not our own? The consumer can probably buy a reference card and mod it and it will be cheaper than if MSI sold it. If we sell it, we back it up with OUR own warranty and no one else's.

Sort of like buying a new Lancer Evolution X, then slapping on a HKS turbo kit and sell it as-is from the dealer. Who would bear the back-end costs of service issues at the dealer resulting from a failed component of the turbo kit that caused the car to crash (and exposing a flaw in the suspension design)?

And you also answered the question: "a handful of people". If the TAM (total available market) is X, and the market is saturated with users that mod, what benefit is there to make a product that would not move and become a money losing proposition?

I somehow wish people can look at it from a macro scale, but it's hard.
I just don't see why a card couldn't be made with msi military components but still accommodated a reference waterblock. I got a 5870 lightning when they first came out and have never had a single problem out of it. But when I upgraded to an h2o loop six months later I was very disappointed to find there were no waterblocks for my card...

I'm with yoshi on the TF fans. If your case has any airflow at all- they really are superior to turbines. I'm folding on 3 460's in one CM 690II case and they all stay under 70*C with just one side case fan blowing on them and two top exhaust fans.

MSI is an excellent company- I have 3 msi mobos and 5 gpus and have had very few problems. Tech support has always been excellent. [/fanboi]
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The cards run cooler, hence the air they throw around is cooler...And then the other fans suck it out of the case.
Actually, all else being equal (which I believe they are in the context of this discussion), the 'card' (by which I believe you mean the GPU) being cooler means that the air it's 'throwing around' (or exhausting away from the card) is actually warmer air, not cooler.
    
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Actually, all else being equal (which I believe they are in the context of this discussion), the 'card' (by which I believe you mean the GPU) being cooler means that the air it's 'throwing around' (or exhausting away from the card) is actually warmer air, not cooler.
Not in the long run, the back of the PCB, etc radiates heat so if you keep the GPU running cooler there's less heat there, which really helps if like me, your cooler has to draw its air from that area.

Considering my TRUE has to get air from straight behind my GPU and above it, I would notice if there was any truth to a GPU cooler warming up case temps significantly, there isn't much unless your case only has two 80mm fans for cooling.
    
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I just don't see why a card couldn't be made with msi military components but still accommodated a reference waterblock. I got a 5870 lightning when they first came out and have never had a single problem out of it. But when I upgraded to an h2o loop six months later I was very disappointed to find there were no waterblocks for my card...
It can... as long as reference boards are made using components we are already using.

Reference designs are relatively cheap to produce (from a R&D and tooling perspective), and do not require extensive thermal and electrical testing. And since everyone produces reference boards on the same basic design, designing aftermarket blocks for that is easy since it fits to all reference designs.

It did bring up something interesting for me internally: waterblock cooling on custom PCB cards that we currently have. I'm working on getting that resolved. I can't guarantee a 580 Lightning will have every possible waterblock available out there, but perhaps we can at least get a couple of vendors on board?

Sidenote: fans of the GTX465 Golden Edition cards will have company soon.
    
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Is the 6970 better then the 570 and how does it compare to the 580?
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Is the 6970 better then the 570 and how does it compare to the 580?
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Meh, I'll wait for the 6990 before I upgrade the 5870.
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when is this card expected to go on sale in the us?
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