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Originally Posted by SlackerITGuy;11811992 
Let me just say this man.

As a fellow AMD Phenom II X4 user, there's no doubt in my mind i5/i7s CPUs are significantly faster gaming wise.

lol @ significantly faster

i'm willing to bet that if you have two machines, i7 & x6, with same clocks, gpu, & everything, 9 out of 10 people won't be able to tell a difference in gaming with FPS display off, probably 10/10 if the x6's NB was over 2.6ghz

a lot of people on this forum love to blow things out of proportion whether to stroke their e-peen or whatnot, it doesn't matter, the truth of the matter is, there is very little real world difference between i7 and x6.. you have to remember/realize that 99% of the people in this world who use a PC, does NOT overclock nor care about things like timings or nb freq or even temps... some people on here need a reality check.. put it this way, if OCN or any other overclocking forum did NOT exist, would you truly spend that extra $ for a few fps or a few points in that benchmark? rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by koven;11812151 
lol @ significantly faster

i'm willing to bet that if you have two machines, i7 & x6, with same clocks, gpu, & everything, 9 out of 10 people won't be able to tell a difference in gaming with FPS display off, probably 10/10 if the x6's NB was at 2.8-3ghz

a lot of people on this forum love to blow things out of proportion whether to stroke their e-peen or whatnot, it doesn't matter, the truth of the matter is, there is very little real world difference between i7 and x6.. you have to realize 99% of the people who uses a PC, do NOT overclock or care about things like timings or nb freq or even temps... some people on here need a reality check.. put it this way, if OCN or any other overclocking forum did NOT exist, would you truly spend that extra $ for a few fps or a few points in that benchmark? wink.gif

I probably would xP But besides the point I agree.
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I probably would xP But besides the point I agree.

I do a lot of encoding/transcoding, but even with that it's more of a hobby and if it takes too long for me to sit and wait, I'll go do one of those "Responsible Adult" things like feed my pets - or myself. Although I must admit that a Sandy Bridge proc would definitely get a significantly higher PPD than a few of the processors out now, including a 1090t or - *Gasp!* - my lowly Phenom x4 9850 @ 3.1ghz.

I guess if you are more of a hardcore folding fanatic than ur average folding fanatic - like me - then it might make sense, but then an SR-2 would be the better bang for the buck at that point.

For the folders out there with semi-deep pockets: You can get an entry-model Xeon for roughly twice the price of a sandy bridge, and I have made a theoretical build of an SR-2 rig that stayed under $2,500, but still makes about 120k PPD.
 
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You guys also have to consider that the 2500K and 2600K are almost guaranteed to hit 4.4GHz+ on air cooling on a relatively cheap P67 motherboard. In order to get an X6 to 4.2GHz+, you're definitely going to need to a top-notch motherboard and some serious cooling. Even then, the i5/i7 will still be a good 15% faster clock-for-clock, plus another 3-5% for the additional overclock room.

For $50, I would definitely make the switch. I'm partial to new tech and high overclocks though, so I suppose I'm a bit biased. Honestly, I hate the idea of multiplier-only overclocking because it's not much of a challenge, but I'm considering the switch myself.
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I do a lot of encoding/transcoding, but even with that it's more of a hobby and if it takes too long for me to sit and wait, I'll go do one of those "Responsible Adult" things like feed my pets - or myself. Although I must admit that a Sandy Bridge proc would definitely get a significantly higher PPD than a few of the processors out now, including a 1090t or - *Gasp!* - my lowly Phenom x4 9850 @ 3.1ghz.

I guess if you are more of a hardcore folding fanatic than ur average folding fanatic - like me - then it might make sense, but then an SR-2 would be the better bang for the buck at that point.

For the folders out there with semi-deep pockets: You can get an entry-model Xeon for roughly twice the price of a sandy bridge, and I have made a theoretical build of an SR-2 rig that stayed under $2,500, but still makes about 120k PPD.

I agree with you on encoding thats why in a earlier post I said "the only thing the i7 has over the Phenom II is benchmark and video encoding". I have had my fair share of sitting and waiting for my CPU to finish encoding a 5 or so minute 1080p video tongue.gif
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You guys also have to consider that the 2500K and 2600K are almost guaranteed to hit 4.4GHz+ on air cooling on a relatively cheap P67 motherboard. In order to get an X6 to 4.2GHz+, you're definitely going to need to a top-notch motherboard and some serious cooling. Even then, the i5/i7 will still be a good 15% faster clock-for-clock, plus another 3-5% for the additional overclock room.

For $50, I would definitely make the switch. I'm partial to new tech and high overclocks though, so I suppose I'm a bit biased. Honestly, I hate the idea of multiplier-only overclocking because it's not much of a challenge, but I'm considering the switch myself.

No overclock in guaranteed. wink.gif
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Not knowing what Bulldozer beholds (have I missed reviews?) I would say stick with the x6, all you'd have to buy is a new board as it will be DDR3 and support your x6. Then you can get a CPU as well or whenever the budget allows it.

That's pretty much my plan, at least until I see a review showing Bulldozer sucks.
    
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Originally Posted by Chucklez;11812295 
I agree with you on encoding thats why in a earlier post I said "the only thing the i7 has over the Phenom II is benchmark and video encoding". I have had my fair share of sitting and waiting for my CPU to finish encoding a 5 or so minute 1080p video tongue.gif



No overclock in guaranteed. wink.gif

Of course it's not "guaranteed," but it's highhly likely IMO. After what we have seen from these chips so far, I'm convinced that they will all be 4.4GHz+ chips.

I don't like the thought of giving up 2 of my cores, but considering I never do anything to take advantage of them and the only reason I bought an X6 was for the overclocking headroom, I think the 2600K has piqued my interest.
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Originally Posted by koven;11812151 
lol @ significantly faster

i'm willing to bet that if you have two machines, i7 & x6, with same clocks, gpu, & everything, 9 out of 10 people won't be able to tell a difference in gaming with FPS display off, probably 10/10 if the x6's NB was over 2.6ghz

a lot of people on this forum love to blow things out of proportion whether to stroke their e-peen or whatnot, it doesn't matter, the truth of the matter is, there is very little real world difference between i7 and x6.. you have to remember/realize that 99% of the people in this world who use a PC, does NOT overclock nor care about things like timings or nb freq or even temps... some people on here need a reality check.. put it this way, if OCN or any other overclocking forum did NOT exist, would you truly spend that extra $ for a few fps or a few points in that benchmark? rolleyes.gif
Except i5/i7s CPUs are indeed faster in most gaming situations.

Look, I'm not trying to start some kind of AMD vs Intel flame war here, I understand what you're saying, and I kinda agree with it (the whole '9 out of 10 people wouldn't notice the difference between a X4/X6 and a i5/i7 when gaming' thing).

But I just can't ignore what I saw when trying that i5 750 rig last week (significant, yes.... significant performance improvement under BFBC2).

And with more and more games becoming heavily CPU dependent (BFBC2, Starcraft II [which according to techspot, a 965 @ 3.8 GHz is only just as fast as a 750 @ stock clocks], COD: Black Ops, World of Warcraft, GTA IV, etc...) having a fast CPU is becoming just as important as having a fast GPU, and which CPUs are the fastest/strongest at the moment? Intel's.

Done with the thread hijacking. I'd gladly take this to PMs fellas.

To the OP, for $50, no brainer mate.
post #29 of 32
We can safely say that core for core, the Intel architecture is hands down faster. Benchmarks or not.

I came from an X6 1055t at 4ghz to my i7 930 and it's brutally faster than any AMD. I love AMD but they need to get their game back. Their solution (including GPUS) is to throw more cores at everything instead of making their architecture faster. You have to remember that in order for anything to benefit from more cores, the software has to utilize them. I had nothing to brag about with my X6 1055t when it only won in maybe 2 benchmarks or programs that 99% of us don't actually use. LOL

Sure it's cheaper but their is a real speed advantage to running Intel. Not to mention you have to push the NB up on the AMD setups just to really awaken it.

Call me a fanboy if you like, but I've owned more chips than most here and I don't regret going Intel for one second. Like I said, core for core, Intel wins this round.

When is AMD gonna actually release bulldozer anyway? It's almost like it will never happen!

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We can safely say that core for core, the Intel architecture is hands down faster. Benchmarks or not.

I came from an X6 1055t at 4ghz to my i7 930 and it's brutally faster than any AMD. I love AMD but they need to get their game back. Their solution (including GPUS) is to throw more cores at everything instead of making their architecture faster. You have to remember that in order for anything to benefit from more cores, the software has to utilize them. I had nothing to brag about with my X6 1055t when it only won in maybe 2 benchmarks or programs that 99% of us don't actually use. LOL

Sure it's cheaper but their is a real speed advantage to running Intel. Not to mention you have to push the NB up on the AMD setups just to really awaken it.

Call me a fanboy if you like, but I've owned more chips than most here and I don't regret going Intel for one second. Like I said, core for core, Intel wins this round.

When is AMD gonna actually release bulldozer anyway? It's almost like it will never happen!

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