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How to solve:

Stock cooler sucks in every way. New thermal material will help a little, but get a better cooler. I bought a Hyper212+.

ASUS also gives a CPU fan error with the Hyper212+ if you are using Qfan. Just set the CPU RPM in the BIOS to "Ignored"

There you go.

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edit new question: I keep getting a CPU fan error when I boot up the computer? Is there a way to disable this, or fix this. The fan is running fan, increasing with temps.


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Yeah, first post! I've got some major heat issues with the AMD 955BE. I am running a 3.6Ghz clock (200x18 @1.4V) on the stock cooler. Based on the overclocking guide I was reading, it said that temps don't matter, and if it gets to hot, the BIOS would shut the computer off automatically before any harm is done.

I found this baloney. I recently discovered that I failed Prime95 in about 1 minute (shutdown), so I check the temps. 70c after 1 minute!! This was insane to me because I had been running this clock for months with no problem. Turns out that I was using Cool&Quiet as a crutch to underclock the system, and reduce apparent normal operating temps. I've now turned that off.

So I ordered some AS5, cleaned the old stuff off which was extremely overapplied, tinted, and applied the paste. I noticed that the surface of the stock cooler was super rough, but I didn't have anything for polishing metal. Temps were still high, so I checked the paste and there wasn't enough on there (covered only the center of the chip), so I wiped and reapplied.

After a few days, my temps are 45c idle (40c idle with no Qfan(Qfan is the BIOS fan controller on ASUS motherboards)), and 64c-65c 100% Large-FFT load. Why so high?

The problem that I have is that my stock HSF can seemly only reach 3500-3800rpm. I know that it is capable of more than that! One time, I shook the computer really hard and the RPMs on the fan reached 4500 (that trick doesn't seem to work anymore), but Qfan quickly adjusted the PWM to compensate or it just slowed down again. With Qfan off and on, it seems to hover in the 3000s. I've heard of the stock coolers reaching 5000s from other people on this forum. Also, the fan is blowing air into the heatsync. Shouldn't it be pulling hot air away, blowing it into the case? It is blowing hot air right onto the CPU!!

If you are wondering about the case temp and case fans: I have 4 case fans that keep the inside a chill 33c (Motherboard temp sensor).

Ambient temps are standard: 69F-72F
Edited by Aph0ticShield - 12/31/10 at 11:39am
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There are just so many things wrong with this....where to start? 61c is the highest the chip should EVER go, and no your board will not automatically shut down anything. It will, however, shut down after it thermally junctions into it'self and never starts up again.

The t.i.m. only needs to cover the "middle" of the chip, a small rice sized dot with pressure applied at installation of the heatsink is optimal. Anything more, and your going to see increased temps as the tim only needs to be paper thin to fill the microscopic voids between the chip and cooler.

You're running 1.4v on a stock cooler that is a p.o.s. and not capable of cooling a north bridge, much less that heater box.

The fan on your cooler is never reaching 4500rpm, that would essentially create lift off and your computer would be flying down your road.

No, the fan should most DEF be blowing ON the heatsink, how else could it help disperse the heat from the fins.

Shaking your computer "really hard" might fix your helicopter fan, but your more than likely gonna shake something free that you really don't want to, if you already haven't.

More to come....
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After a few days, my temps are 45c idle (40c idle with no Qfan(Qfan is the BIOS fan controller on ASUS motherboards)), and 64c-65c 100% Large-FFT load. Why so high?
because you have a stock cooler... it's barely enough for the stock 3.2ghz, 3.6ghz is pushing it so your temps are about right
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Id get rid of the stock cooler. also make sure cool and quiet is disabled.Also check your temps with the stock clock. you can also try hooking up the stock heatsink fan to a molex connector see if that helps.
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Jonesey I7, you are so nice! Has anyone ever told you that? XD. You've probably scared 1,204 newbs from overclock.net.

Where to start? AMD 955BE support 62c temps "officially", unofficially, they can go up to 70c with no damage from multiple sources.

1.4V is less than 1.5V (According to AMD, 1.4V is middle to low voltage for a 955BE, 1.5V is high).

From what I have seen from the fan, It is blowing air into that the HS, but it has no where to disperse. How is that going to cool the HS off?

The fan has max speed of 5000-6000 as reported from many sources. Look it up. So no, I'm afraid that it would not "create lift".

As for the TIM, AS5 says that after application, the TIM should spread to the entire area of the cores (not the metal cap). The area of the cores is about the size of the cap vertically, and 1/3 of the size horizontally.

That wasn't exactly helpful, but thanks anyway!

And koven, do you think so? I heard that 3.8-4 is possible on stock. Clearly, I'm not going to hit that.
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So first off, Hello and welcome to OCN!

Hmmmm....while Jonesey I7 may have been a little short and a little inaccurate with his replies, he is largely correct.

1) Stock cooler is almost impossible to overclock with, even a $30-$40 aftermarket cooler will allow you to achieve 3.6-3.8.

2) No matter what AMD says online, 62c is the max for this chip...and 55c is the real max before the heat negates the benefits of the clock speed (and yes heat matters with amd, it is less of an issue with intel). No matter what cooling or clock you run, keep it under 55c in prime95 blend test when overclocking

3) Please do some research about overclocking. There are some descent guides on this forum. Also, ask the community here before you go overboard with your attempts. Most of the people here will be happy to help guide you and give you advice, feedback and suggestions
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I found the problem:

You are trying to overclock on a stock cooler.

I highly suggest you invest in an after market cooler such as a Cooler Master 212+ which can be had for $30
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Mine idles at 45°C and goes up to 52°C when gaming... is that bad?
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Mine idles at 45°C and goes up to 52°C when gaming... is that bad?
no
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Thanks, stonedzen!

While I see where you are coming from, I don't see how heat can negate the benefits of an increased clock. How is 55c better than 62c besides for more overclocking headroom? I'd say that if you have the extra cool to spare, why not push the CPU to 62c every time?

I have also done my fair share of overclocking research. I have followed many overclocking guides which have all said that watching the temps is pointless, as the CPU will safely shut down before any damage is done unless you overvolt it.

So a new heatsync is what I need ehh? Or maybe I could figure what is wrong with the stock HSF? Ive heard of crazy low temps on stock. Mine are obviously quite high.
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