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I have never had issues with OEM Windows. I had an OEM copy of Windows XP for roughly 6-7 years, and so I had to reactivate that more than a few dozen times.

Then one day I got a new computer and tried my luck with that copy of XP: I had to call for activation, but it was the same routine: they asked me a couple of questions, activated it, and then sent me on my way. There was nothing else involved. I was shocked and happy because I just saved myself $120.

So that's why I don't understand anything about this "releasing" stuff.


Whoa. I go away for a little while and looky looky! Nice!
OEM XP and OEM Vista/7 are completely different. They use a vastly different activation scheme. Even more so if it was a pre-built machine with Vista/7 as they activate by SLIC. Even if we assume they don't activate by SLIC you still have to call as they do activate for one MB only. I'm sure there are some problems with the system that allow people to activate like retail keys, nothing is perfect.

You did have to release your key though, that's what happened when you called MS. It's generally not painful and complicated, I never said it was, it's just you have to call them and explain to them what happened. When you do this they release your key so it can re-activate with another machine, whether they tell you or not. It's just how the activation scheme goes.
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OEM XP and OEM Vista/7 are completely different. They use a vastly different activation scheme. Even more so if it was a pre-built machine with Vista/7 as they activate by SLIC. Even if we assume they don't activate by SLIC you still have to call as they do activate for one MB only. I'm sure there are some problems with the system that allow people to activate like retail keys, nothing is perfect.

You did have to release your key though, that's what happened when you called MS. It's generally not painful and complicated, I never said it was, it's just you have to call them and explain to them what happened. When you do this they release your key so it can re-activate with another machine, whether they tell you or not. It's just how the activation scheme goes.
That's cool, but I prefer to keep it simple, and I prefer to only be concerned about the things I need to know. I mean, I don't need to know that they're releasing the key. All I need to care about is activating it.
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That's cool, but I prefer to keep it simple, and I prefer to only be concerned about the things I need to know. I mean, I don't need to know that they're releasing the key. All I need to care about is activating it.
Oh I don't disagree, as a customer you shouldn't need to know. Although as somebody who gives support you need to know, as it's part of the tech side of things. There are many terms people use, such as keys are married, paired, joined, ect... to the motherboard. Same ideas behind the Xbox hard drives, as they are "married" with the XBL accounts in a very intricate web.
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Oh I don't disagree, as a customer you shouldn't need to know. Although as somebody who gives support you need to know, as it's part of the tech side of things. There are many terms people use, such as keys are married, paired, joined, ect... to the motherboard. Same ideas behind the Xbox hard drives, as they are "married" with the XBL accounts in a very intricate web.
It's not that I don't understand that, but I am just saying that I don't see how it would help someone to explain to them that Microsoft would need to "release" it. It also makes me feel like saying, "but don't actually ask them to release your key". I bet there are people who would take that knowledge, and then ask the activation representative to "release" their key. They might go, "Yeah, I need to have my key released", or, "Yeah, can you release my key so that I can activate it on my new computer?"

So instead, I try to avoid that and just say "at worst, you'll have to call and actually talk to someone. If or when that happens, just go through the usual routine, tell them that you are using this copy on one computer and that all you're doing is reinstalling it". I never felt that anyone needs to understand that what's actually happening is that they're releasing the key because then I'd feel like asking them to avoid using that terminology. So I avoid all that by keeping it simple.

So when someone asks if they can move into a new computer using the same store-bought OEM copy of Windows, I first explain that we're not supposed to attempt it, but then I explain that it's usually worth a shot because it seems to me like the activation representatives don't care. When I installed that OEM copy of XP on my new computer, I didn't tell them it was a different computer. Instead, I only told them what they asked me, and all they essentially asked me was if it was my first time trying to activate and if I had that copy installed on any other computers. When I told them No to both questions, they thanked me for answering their questions and proceeded to activate it for me.

But if it's more complicated with OEM copies of Windows 7, then in what ways is it different? Do they ask more questions or what?


Disclaimer: I understand that they aren't strictly Activation Representatives, but I use that term to keep it simple because for me, that's their only purpose in life.
Edited by TwoCables - 12/31/10 at 5:12pm
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I understand playing dumb but I'm still going to give tech support with the proper terms. If the OP asks how you would go about getting them to do this I'd then tell them to play dumb, either that or play angry. I prefer playing the angry customer, it beats playing dumb. Just call and yell at them that your computer won't validate, you have work that needs to be done and you needed it done yesterday. Even though that's what I say to do I'll still tell them that the key is being released cause it's the proper tech terms.

Honestly we can't even give that advice, at least not here, as it's against both EULA and TOC. So I don't give the advice at all.
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Whew, I installed it on the old HD, and I, am, loving, it.
Thank the heavens for OCN, and all you awesome fellers.

Right now I can't remember if I download the drivers for my 5750 from Powercolor, or AMD's website...
Or rather, which I'm supposed to do.
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Always go with the company site for stuff like that. Such as if you have a SoundBlaster, go to creative. If you have a Radeon card, go to AMD. They will have the most up to date drivers you will find, period.
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Whew, I installed it on the old HD, and I, am, loving, it.
Thank the heavens for OCN, and all you awesome fellers.

Right now I can't remember if I download the drivers for my 5750 from Powercolor, or AMD's website...
Or rather, which I'm supposed to do.
Before going further, I highly recommend telling Windows Update to no longer offer any drivers. Here's how:
  1. Open the Start menu
  2. Type change device installation settings (you'll probably only have to type "change d" and then press Enter)
  3. Choose "No, let me choose what to do"
  4. Select "Never install driver software from Windows Update"
  5. For kicks, enable "Replace generic device icons with enhanced icons"

But yeah, graphics drivers are always downloaded from either AMD's website, or NVIDIA's website.

Do you have any other questions though?
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I know Windows Update is unreliable... but install drivers for every single device henceforth on my own?
I already let it install every update there was, I hope that didn't screw up anything, seems fine to me so far. :s


And I installed CCC2, and all the driver's from the package from AMD.
But then I wanted to have the option of using the original CCC, and I wanted HydraVision as well, so I installed the package from PowerColor that included it, BUT I deselected everything except for those, and Catalyst Install Manager which was un-deselectable in the custom install menu. :/

I think that's OK, because I avoided double installing any of the actual display drivers themselves...
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I don't think Win Update auto-installs GFX drivers, it's never interfered with mine. Even if it does, just re-install them manually, no biggie as it won't happen too often.
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