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cool, if you don't mind burning away money equivalent to a a cpu every month and extra ram from the exceeded bandwidth.
Because you can only afford piss poor internet doesn't mean I can't have larger packages.

I do pay about the price of a good CPU per month for my ISP.. But see the thing here is I make more than enough money to afford it.

Also my home network is gigabit and I do a lot of gigabit transfers. I definitely notice the lack of IOPS ability on the realtek garbage.. I figure if Killer NIC was integrated it would definitely help on all ends. I would prioritize a mobo with one of these in it.
    
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Because you can only afford piss poor internet doesn't mean I can't have larger packages.

I do pay about the price of a good CPU per month for my ISP.. But see the thing here is I make more than enough money to afford it.

Also my home network is gigabit and I do a lot of gigabit transfers. I definitely notice the lack of IOPS ability on the realtek garbage.. I figure if Killer NIC was integrated it would definitely help on all ends. I would prioritize a mobo with one of these in it.
Ooooo chiiilld. HE TOLD YOU!
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Ooooo chiiilld. HE TOLD YOU!
Im not trying to dog on anybody but it really pisses me off when someone says "whats the point of that its so expensive" when the reason its expensive is because its linearly faster or better than whatever it replaces. IE: internet services...

Its attitudes like that which have prevented me from getting my 270/35 internet for almost 2 years, until my area was finally upgraded

same thing with crappy NICs. Realtek got away with it for so long, finally a better product that doesnt cost NOTHING is competing. It costs money to start. Deal with it. its business. Its also a hell of a lot better than $200 for the standalone version!
    
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Im not trying to dog on anybody but it really pisses me off when someone says "whats the point of that its so expensive" when the reason its expensive is because its linearly faster or better than whatever it replaces. IE: internet services...

Its attitudes like that which have prevented me from getting my 270/35 internet for almost 2 years, until my area was finally upgraded

same thing with crappy NICs. Realtek got away with it for so long, finally a better product that doesnt cost NOTHING is competing. It costs money to start. Deal with it. its business. Its also a hell of a lot better than $200 for the standalone version!
Having 270 down is a 100% complete waste of money for any single person. It really doesn't matter how you justify it at all, it's still a complete waste of money. You could do exactly the same thing with 20MB internet and barely notice a thing.

Mind you, you're going to say you download 10TB files all day as a rebuttal, I assume.
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Im not trying to dog on anybody but it really pisses me off when someone says "whats the point of that its so expensive" when the reason its expensive is because its linearly faster or better than whatever it replaces. IE: internet services...

Its attitudes like that which have prevented me from getting my 270/35 internet for almost 2 years, until my area was finally upgraded

same thing with crappy NICs. Realtek got away with it for so long, finally a better product that doesnt cost NOTHING is competing. It costs money to start. Deal with it. its business. Its also a hell of a lot better than $200 for the standalone version!
275mb down? 75 up ? OMG. I STILL have 6.5 down and 765K up. Stupid Fios is not available
    
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internet speed is like car BHP why have more than 30 when the speed limit is 90 ...
Because we like it.
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it really pisses me off when someone says "whats the point of that its so expensive" when the reason its expensive is because its linearly faster or better than whatever it replaces.
Hmm...Like Bose speakers, Monster cables, and SilenX fans?
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I like that MSI is doing this, on the board implementation is the best option. Hopefully it doesn't eat up a PCIe lane or doesn't cause any funky heatsink placement.

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Those Killer NIC's are pure marketing, they're useless.
Anyone saying they make a notable difference is full of crap.
They have a use, it's not as big as they say it is; but they can still be useful when setup right.

Admittedly, Killer does not market or set up their Software the way they should.
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If your router is slow and it doesn't prioritized gaming traffic the Killer NIC is not going to do much to help your latency. IMO its better to put more money into a better router that supports DD-WRT with QoS.
Not true; even with a good Gigabit router that uses QoS and you setup port-forwarding on, Windows' network stack becomes the bottleneck because almost always you have more than one program open sending data to and from the internet. (IE: Steam has 3 different connections at once, plus the games connection and sometimes games have 2 or 3 connections as well because they use different connections for VoIP and such.)
And in that confusion Windows just lumps what comes first in line together so the packets do not get sent together.

With a NIC like this they'll send the packets for your game out in small bits one by one but stack VoIP packets together so you do not get interference on the Mic or dropped voice (this is very common in Source games for this reason.)
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Bypass the windows network stack? Sounds like a pile of nonsense to me.
No it's not.

The Windows stack takes all data and clumps it together when doing file transfers (not to mention the Onboard NIC's eating CPU Cycles, though that doesn't matter much.)
With the Killer or a Dedicated NIC, you instead have priority given to certain applications or packets and you can either stack them for greater speed (works better on larger files) or have them sent one at a time for better latency (what it does for most gaming packets.)
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These "Killer" cards also have a marvel chip btw.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/net...-card-review/6
No.... it's NPU is a MPC8343EVRAGD from Freescale Semiconductors.

Either way, the chips doesn't matter as much as how you implement it. Chips give you speed and grant you features, but if you do not take advantage of what they offer, the chip is a nul point.
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People that buy those cards are the same people that buy X-Fi Fatality cards thinking they're better than regular X-Fi's.
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Do these things have TOE capability? or something similar?
ToE & UoE
(UoE = UDP Offloading Engine)
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I guess(guess because I don't know much about this NIC) its pretty cool that they are going to integrate hardware like this. Wonder how this would perform against a server grade INTEL NIC?
Depends on the Intel NIC; I put $30 down on a Broadcom NetXtreme II 5701 (Dell model) and get slightly better performance with Network transfers using Tera-Copy.
Though my NIC easily retails in the $250 range.
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Hmm...Like Bose speakers, Monster cables, and SilenX fans?
Not an accurate comparison; all of those products are over rated products with false advertising on them.

Faster Internet is faster. It's going to travel at X Speed and keep doing so.
Those are all products that Promise A level performance but only give you B or C Level.
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cool, if you don't mind burning away money equivalent to a a cpu every month and extra ram from the exceeded bandwidth.
The 25/25 for $65 isn't that bad. Rather than spending the money to go see movies in the theatre you can download and watch them at home in leisure without paying $6 for popcorn. Money spent one place is moved somewhere else.

If you had 150/35mb you could sell web-hosting to offset the costs as well.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 12/30/10 at 3:45pm
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Now put it on a Mitx Board.
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