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The killer nics actually do work, and do help latency. They offload the entire TCP/IP stack from the CPU, which may not sound like much, but it's enough for a small improvement in latency. In some circumstances, having 1 or 2ms less latency than everyone else, can be an advantage. Plus their network stack is optimised for gaming and voice communications.
The onboard processor runs the network stack. It's not a big chip, but every little helps, right?

TL;DR: They do work, but at the cost, they're only worth it for competition play.
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Originally Posted by bigvaL;11831051 
Having 270 down is a 100% complete waste of money for any single person. It really doesn't matter how you justify it at all, it's still a complete waste of money. You could do exactly the same thing with 20MB internet and barely notice a thing.

Mind you, you're going to say you download 10TB files all day as a rebuttal, I assume.
Barely notice a thing?
I have use for the speed. My biggest thing with the higher rate was being able to download movies from a private server at full speed. I get 20-25MBPS - bluray's finish in under an hour
I also host a couple gameservers on my home network, garrysmod, CS:S, and a couple custom L4D2 servers - those take up almost no bandwidth tho
For play, I also do some video editing, etc. I can upload stuff to youtube and my website sooo much faster
Also, I have an FTP server at home - nice to be able to DL at almost 3MBps from your home PC to someone else's across the city
Whats the use of it all you say? That I can do everything and the same damn time.

I can download my bluray in the background (rate limit the DL), FTP upload stuff to my webserver, upload youtube vids, hell even torrent, and whatever the hell else i can possibly think of
and still get on a game and not have a single hint of lag. That is exactly why I pay up and want the extra bandwidth.

So, on that cliche note, I have tons of uses for excessive bandwidth.
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Originally Posted by Jean-Luc;11831054 
275mb down? 75 up ? OMG. I STILL have 6.5 down and 765K up. Stupid Fios is not available

its not FIOS specifically. I work with COX guys and a couple of the field IT techs for cox and learned some awesome tricks to get stupid fast cable internet
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Originally Posted by mrfajita;11832335 
Hmm...Like Bose speakers, Monster cables, and SilenX fans?

Actually I hate all those brands. I like excess, not waste. If I wasn't such a big user like I described above, that would be waste. I can regularly hit the max speed on my internet with more than one PC at home.
Also like someone else pointed out, thats a bad comparison - bose and monster n stuff use marketing
me getting 270mb net at home is like buying a private jet or using marble tiles in the entire house.. excessssss luxx
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Originally Posted by nouky;11831406 
internet speed is like car BHP why have more than 30 when the speed limit is 90 ...
Because we like it.

Disagree.

A powerful car has advantages even if it's top speed is not used.

275 megabit down has uses, even for home users. There are sites that will transfer that fast, and sometimes having the files now is useful.

Bandwidth only becomes uselessly excessive if it becomes completely imperceptible in all uses.

I could make use of a gigabit internet connection.
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Originally Posted by OC96junkie;11834332 
its not FIOS specifically. I work with COX guys and a couple of the field IT techs for cox and learned some awesome tricks to get stupid fast cable internet

So you're not paying the premium for that massive internet package I'm guessing? A lesser package with mods to your modem, perhaps? (share your tricks smile.gif)
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Originally Posted by allikat;11834228 
The killer nics actually do work, and do help latency. They offload the entire TCP/IP stack from the CPU, which may not sound like much, but it's enough for a small improvement in latency. In some circumstances, having 1 or 2ms less latency than everyone else, can be an advantage. Plus their network stack is optimised for gaming and voice communications.
The onboard processor runs the network stack. It's not a big chip, but every little helps, right?

TL;DR: They do work, but at the cost, they're only worth it for competition play.


Even if the KillerNIC could lower ping by 5-10ms that won't give any real competitive advantage. Most gamers play on servers they get under 80-60ms. Plus any league/ladder worth a crap splits up the league/ladder by region. (West coast/Central/East Coast)


The older version of the KillerNIC had slower LAN transfer rates compared to onboard network cards.
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A killer nic is actually a mini computer, they run linux and are crazy good at network performance/ prioritization. your computer will not use any of its own resources to run the networking end of things, however this tech was much more useful and needed back in single core processor days.. now with our dual and quad+ core processors the need for this product is obviously less, and I think they should really just go integrated I would pay 10-20$ extra for a built in killer nic, although.. intel light peak... is coming and eventually networking could look a lot different.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ox_inwLSl0[/ame]

Also note light peak will show up for MAC first (lame) but eventually could (will) become the ultimate networking choice.
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smart idea, i like it.
    
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Originally Posted by Blameless;11834371 
Disagree.

A powerful car has advantages even if it's top speed is not used.

275 megabit down has uses, even for home users. There are sites that will transfer that fast, and sometimes having the files now is useful.

Bandwidth only becomes uselessly excessive if it becomes completely imperceptible in all uses.

I could make use of a gigabit internet connection.
I could def make use of gigabit. Most sites wont max gigabit but you can max several others and still get REALLY good download speeds. Also using parallel download managers will exponentially help with bigger internet packages to get around rate caps biggrin.gif
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So you're not paying the premium for that massive internet package I'm guessing? A lesser package with mods to your modem, perhaps? (share your tricks smile.gif)
I wouldn't post them on a public forum as they would quickly become widespread then fixed tongue.gif hope you understand
    
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Originally Posted by allikat;11834228 
The killer nics actually do work, and do help latency. They offload the entire TCP/IP stack from the CPU, which may not sound like much, but it's enough for a small improvement in latency. In some circumstances, having 1 or 2ms less latency than everyone else, can be an advantage. Plus their network stack is optimised for gaming and voice communications.
The onboard processor runs the network stack. It's not a big chip, but every little helps, right?

TL;DR: They do work, but at the cost, they're only worth it for competition play.

Not even worth it for comp play if you look at proper benchmarks with on board nics that aren't from the 80s they do just as good or better than the killer NIC. I won a killer nic a while ago sold it for like $100 on ebay lol.
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Originally Posted by OC96junkie;11834332 
Barely notice a thing?
I have use for the speed. My biggest thing with the higher rate was being able to download movies from a private server at full speed. I get 20-25MBPS - bluray's finish in under an hour
I also host a couple gameservers on my home network, garrysmod, CS:S, and a couple custom L4D2 servers - those take up almost no bandwidth tho
For play, I also do some video editing, etc. I can upload stuff to youtube and my website sooo much faster
Also, I have an FTP server at home - nice to be able to DL at almost 3MBps from your home PC to someone else's across the city
Whats the use of it all you say? That I can do everything and the same damn time.

I can download my bluray in the background (rate limit the DL), FTP upload stuff to my webserver, upload youtube vids, hell even torrent, and whatever the hell else i can possibly think of
and still get on a game and not have a single hint of lag. That is exactly why I pay up and want the extra bandwidth.

So, on that cliche note, I have tons of uses for excessive bandwidth.


its not FIOS specifically. I work with COX guys and a couple of the field IT techs for cox and learned some awesome tricks to get stupid fast cable internet



Actually I hate all those brands. I like excess, not waste. If I wasn't such a big user like I described above, that would be waste. I can regularly hit the max speed on my internet with more than one PC at home.
Also like someone else pointed out, thats a bad comparison - bose and monster n stuff use marketing
me getting 270mb net at home is like buying a private jet or using marble tiles in the entire house.. excessssss luxx


I call bull. I used to uncap cable modems back in 2002. That's nothing new. Cable companies most definitely monitor customer traffic though. They will notice you uploading over 100mb/s. They regularly audit docsis profiles.
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