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I have a 90/92mm San Ace Fan that I pulled from an old Dell that I tore the connector off. I can run it off a 12v wall adapter, and a 5v wall adapter for a book light, and a 3.6v PSP Charger. It's loud at 12v and almost floats, the okay at 5v and moves around my desk, and it is great on the 3.6v while still putting out a decent amount of air.
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If you plan to undervolt, I would suggest the 25mm variety. They are nice and smooth while the 38mm variety is not so much. 38mm fans are really optimal for 2000RPM+, but they generally do fairly poor at slow speeds.

I liked the 25mm versions, they are one of the few fans to really crank out some air flow approaching the 2500RPM range AND still dial down perfectly smooth.

I've got videos and charts of many of these in my fan thread, link below:

I'd suggest at least taking a listen before deciding.
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post #13 of 31
Quote:
Originally Posted by farkle0079 View Post
If you can get your hands on them, the original "San Ace Fan of Fame" is the 109R1212H101. I have both 109R and 9G models and the 109R is better.
Better how?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chunky_Chimp View Post
There is, but right now I don't have it on me. Off the top of my head, using my fan as an example:

9 = series
G = sub-series
12 = size
12 = voltage
H = speed class
1011 = tach wire & ribless; this number will differ between fans to indicate features.
Those last 4 digits:

First is thickness: 1 = 38mm, 4 = 25mm, 5 = 50mm

Next seems to be a placeholder for customers. For example, the initial fan number for a Seasonic heatsink fan was 9S1212H463.

Third digit is connection: 1 = tach wire, 2 = no tach wire, 3 = PWM, 4 = PWM

Fourth is optional. They add the 1 if the fan lacks installation tunnels (= no 'closed corners' = 'ribless' etc.).

BTW - if you can get a 9S- (not a 9SG-) cheaply, do so: they are the best fans San Ace makes, the equal of the Gentle Typhoons. No clicking at any voltage. And the 9S1212H401 is 4dB quieter than the 9G1212H401 at full throttle.
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post #14 of 31
Quote:
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Better how?
I think the only way it'd be better is it's rated for 3CFM over the 9G. Otherwise I can't think of anything.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ehume View Post
Those last 4 digits:

First is thickness: 1 = 38mm, 4 = 25mm, 5 = 50mm

Next seems to be a placeholder for customers. For example, the initial fan number for a Seasonic heatsink fan was 9S1212H463.

Third digit is connection: 1 = tach wire, 2 = no tach wire, 3 = PWM, 4 = PWM

Fourth is optional. They add the 1 if the fan lacks installation tunnels (= no 'closed corners' = 'ribless' etc.).

BTW - if you can get a 9S- (not a 9SG-) cheaply, do so: they are the best fans San Ace makes, the equal of the Gentle Typhoons. No clicking at any voltage. And the 9S1212H401 is 4dB quieter than the 9G1212H401 at full throttle.
Ah, thanks.
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Quote:
Better how?
The 109R have a MUCH nicer noise profile over the 9G, therefore you can run them at higher rpms (and thus more airflow) for the same amount of noise. The 9G are too grumbly and are easily distinguishable while the 109R's sound profile is a lot smoother. I was able to run my 109R fans at 1600rpm vs 1250rpm for the 9G in my FT02. This wasn't a single fan error either. I had at least 4 of each model.

Quote:
Those last 4 digits:

First is thickness: 1 = 38mm, 4 = 25mm, 5 = 50mm

Next seems to be a placeholder for customers. For example, the initial fan number for a Seasonic heatsink fan was 9S1212H463.

Third digit is connection: 1 = tach wire, 2 = no tach wire, 3 = PWM, 4 = PWM

Fourth is optional. They add the 1 if the fan lacks installation tunnels (= no 'closed corners' = 'ribless' etc.).

BTW - if you can get a 9S- (not a 9SG-) cheaply, do so: they are the best fans San Ace makes, the equal of the Gentle Typhoons. No clicking at any voltage. And the 9S1212H401 is 4dB quieter than the 9G1212H401 at full throttle.
Also a "2" in the first spot after the speed marker indicates 32mm thickness.

I don't quite agree that the 9S series is equal to the Gentle Typhoon. It does come very close, but it's definitely noisier. I tested a GT and a 9S in open air side by side and turned them down till their noise was indistinguishable over ambient. The GT had higher rpms and more airflow. The 9S does have a more focused airflow however.
Edited by farkle0079 - 1/1/11 at 8:13pm
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post #16 of 31
The 109R did better than the 9G in my testing too. Not by much, but maybe 1-2dbA lower in noise level for the same CFM.

The 9S was also not silent by any means, but it has very good smooth sound. (Average noise level, very good noise quality), this is why I say it's a good undervolter. To me, I actually give noise quality a bit more weight than the noise level numbers themselves. Noise level is an average and not peak, so it smooths out the bumps that are actually fairly annoying.

The GT15 tested a good 7 dbA lower in noise level than the 109R, so no comparison there, but it's also a different fan range. The GT peters out at 36CFM where the 109R kept on going clear to 62 CFM. Two very different fans that do well at 12V.

Just don't kid yourself into thinking you can have GT or other slow speed fan noise quality with one that's also capable of cranking out 3000RPM at 12V...not going to happen.

There are good fans in all areas, but no one fan is good at everything. I think the 109Rs became popular because of their impressive range, not because they are necessarily really good at slow speed duties. They also have that industrial build quality which is always nice to own.

I just couldn't stand to use them at my preferred noise tolerance, they are poor 1000RPM fans and there are many better options for slow speed including cheap yate loons.
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Is there a group buy in the works ? I'm down with eight 9GV1212P4G01/9GV1212P4G011 (preferrable), or eight 9G1212F401/9G1212F4011. Prefer ribless (easier to install). Also, where (reputable online dealer) can we find extension wire and three and four-pin connectors to finish the bare leads?
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Quote:
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I don't quite agree that the 9S series is equal to the Gentle Typhoon. It does come very close, but it's definitely noisier. I tested a GT and a 9S in open air side by side and turned them down till their noise was indistinguishable over ambient. The GT had higher rpms and more airflow. The 9S does have a more focused airflow however.
When I tested these fans, I found the 9S1212L401 cooled my Megahalems down to 55.5c over ambient, at a noise cost of 19.5 dBA. The Gentle Typhoon AP-14 cooled to 56.5c with 20 dBA. That's fairly comparable, but when it came to outfitting my daughter's quiet rig, I listened to the fans and used the San Ace.

BTW - the AP-13 cooled to 59c at 17.5 dBA.

Static pressure specs:
... 9S1212L401: 1.5mm H2O
... AP-14: 1.3mm H2O (from Nidec, not Scythe)

Comparable, IMO.
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That'll work. I think I've been convinced to go with 120mm fans plus adapters for my GTX 420. Still love to get my hands on some 140mm San Aces...but that's out of reach for the moment.

Any disadvantage to 38mm hubs?
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san ace 1011. great fan
 
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