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Needs Debian, Gentoo, and Slackware!
I'm not even going to touch Gentoo but if someone wants to write it up, I'll add it. That is definitely going in a new section for Advanced/Insane.

I know enorbet uses Slackware. If he is interested, he can write that up and I'll add it.

mushroomboy has a nice little write up on Debian in this thread. If he wants me to add it, I will.

The main thing is I need to know which section of the post I need to put it in. I would guess Debian would be in the same category as OpenSUSE and Fedora. No idea where Slackware stands. Remember, this thread is aimed at people who have limited Linux experience so you might consider Arch easy but for someone new to Linux, it is not.
    
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Good Topic TFB.

i would like to add tho, even tho ubuntu is a good starter Linux, it is by no means, only limited to beginners.

i'm not a noob nor a beginner at linux, but yet i find myself not able to leave from it, since i do know the system so well.
I totally agree with you. I'm not a beginner or expert. Struggling enthusiast sums me up and I really liked Ubuntu until recently. I will add a few lines saying it's not limited to beginners.
    
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Oh, well you didn't say you were trying to rollback half your system One thing that I like about pacman is that even though it will complain about a massive dependency problem, you can simply add the -d flag and then it will just shut up and do what you tell it to. Sure you might total your system, but at least you only have yourself to blame.
Well like lets say I upgraded libgtk2.0 to the latest from Experimental. Things might go well but then later I find out it broke a feature that I use, lets say my beloved flash. So I try and rollback just libgtk2.0 but it tells me no. Most likely if I force it it's either going to do two things; Either give me broken dependencies or uninstall a lot of programs that depend on it, even if it meets dependencies. This is because technically apt has to uninstall the package and then re-install the package, it's currently a retarded feature of apt. Something I've NEVER figured out why, although it doesn't always seem like this effects things. I've done that scenario and sworn it works, but I've also had it "break" a system. PITA at times, but that's how I've learned to watch my packages and dependencies. Though there could also be another lesson to be learned, don't use Experimental packages that deal with core system components. ='(

[edit] You can add it, probably needs some modifying/rewriting though (I tried to stay unbiased). Really it's very close to Ubuntu but with slightly more control and less crap. The less crap meaning it has less patches and more stability.
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Perhaps we should reconsider organising the distros based on how much reading is required, instead of how difficult they are to use.
    
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I know enorbet uses Slackware. If he is interested, he can write that up and I'll add it.

<snip> No idea where Slackware stands. Remember, this thread is aimed at people who have limited Linux experience so you might consider Arch easy but for someone new to Linux, it is not.
OK I am thinking about it. However I have to say that Slackware is no harder than Arch to run and considerably easier for most to install. It just has that reputation because such things are like infinite loops. Once they get started they are self-fulfilling since you will never know unless you actually experience it. It's like trying to explain the color Red , let alone a sunset, to someone who is blind or somehow just never seen either. It may sound hard but it actually is not.

This perception of mine is not because I've lost touchwith how much I've grown since I started with Slackware. It is from the realization that I had been using Linux for less than a year (and not at all daily back then) when I started with Slack and it was orders of magnitude more difficult then due to hardware management being almost totally manual, smaller community and fewer available packages.

In fact, as a corollary to what transhour posted, it may be exactly because I had nurtured so few habits that it was less hard to find my way around and get things done.

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When all you have are nails, everything starts looking like a hammer
For the time being until I figure out if there is really anything new to say allow me to quote from distrowatch here even though much of it is rather obviously out of date and no longer true and some is just agenda driven opinion.

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Slackware Linux is a highly technical, clean distribution, with only a very limited number of custom utilities. It uses a simple, text-based system installer and a comparatively primitive package management system that does not resolve software dependencies. As a result, Slackware is considered one of the cleanest and least buggy distributions available today - the lack of Slackware-specific enhancements reduces the likelihood of new bugs being introduced into the system. All configuration is done by editing text files. There is a saying in the Linux community that if you learn Red Hat, you'll know Red Hat, but if you learn Slackware, you'll know Linux.
Hmmm maybe there is room for some updating....
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Some sources you can add for Debian:

KDE 4.5 (Until it officially updates)
deb http://qt-kde.debian.net/debian experimental-snapshots main
deb-src http://qt-kde.debian.net/debian experimental-snapshots main

Ubuntu/Debian (works for both):

Wine (eventually you will need to replace maverick, but that's got some time yet)
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu maverick main

Firefox 4.0b Daily Builds
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozi...ily/ppa/ubuntu lucid main

I'll have more later if I end up adding them to my own.
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How often do people have to tell you that none of your posts are helpful?
lmao...I've noticed the same thing. He even trolled the Windows forum at one point. The OP was trying to get help with a Vista installation being corrupt. Instead of offering help he continuously told him to install Linux.
post #58 of 76
Navynos
Backtrack
Phlak
CentOS
Mint
Kubuntu
GnackTrack
Smooth-Sec
But honestly All these distributions are the reason why linux community comes in bundles and why its progress is not where its suppose to be.
Edited by Spooony - 6/4/11 at 10:01pm
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Navynos
Backtrack
Phlak
CentOS
Mint
Kubuntu
GnackTrack
Smooth-Sec
But honestly All these distributions are the reason why linux community comes in bundles and why its progress is not where its suppose to be.
Uh...what?
     
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Uh...what?
If there was only 1 distro wouldn't it been better as a lot of heads together are better than one? Now you get some people on that and some people on that distro some on this etc etc which is devides them. People arguing this one is better that one is better. That's not unity in the Linux community.
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