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If there was only 1 distro wouldn't it been better as a lot of heads together are better than one? Now you get some people on that and some people on that distro some on this etc etc which is devides them. People arguing this one is better that one is better. That's not unity in the Linux community.
One distro would be of no benefit. The exact same people would be working on it and probably precious few more. Distros are made on philosophical grounds. not just technical grounds. The people who hate Ubuntu now would hate it if it was the only distro. If they joined the development team they'd spark intra-distro developer wars instead of inter-distro.
    
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One distro would be of no benefit. The exact same people would be working on it and probably precious few more. Distros are made on philosophical grounds. not just technical grounds. The people who hate Ubuntu now would hate it if it was the only distro. If they joined the development team they'd spark intra-distro developer wars instead of inter-distro.
why would they hate Ubuntu if there was one distro to concentrate on with the ideas of numerous developers plus working close together with some manufacturers? Ubuntu or whatever it wouldve been called would have been different with something for everyone
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The problem is that different people have different ideas about how things should work, look, etc. That is why we have hundreds of different distros. You couldn't take all of these people and get them to agree on one way of doing things any more than you could get FPS, RTS and RPG gamers to agree on which genre should be the only one for which games are produced.
    
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the "forward" thinking of the ubuntu devs fits a large portion of the linux community i think its horrible garbage and that is my own opinion

if there was one distro, it would be majority rule
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The problem is that different people have different ideas about how things should work, look, etc. That is why we have hundreds of different distros. You couldn't take all of these people and get them to agree on one way of doing things any more than you could get FPS, RTS and RPG gamers to agree on which genre should be the only one for which games are produced.
making linux trying to look like windows is the reason people install Ubuntu and then chucks off and never go back again. They click like in windows and look for those places where they normally go in windows but it doesn't work like that. They are afraid or don't want to learn everything over again like they did with windows. I was lucky. I had dos before windows and with it linux I've been bashing my way thru all the distros. There's nothing better than linux and a command prompt. Linux is powerful the gui is just eyecandy
post #66 of 76
The real development for linux happens in the kernel and the libs, if we had universal libs for desktops it would be extremely nice. That is the real problem, having multiple distro's is not. Thing is we have great applications that use GTK and then others that use QT. It would be nice to have everything use a standard/unified API. That goes for everything, remove PulseAudio and put all those advancements back into ALSA itself.

Get rid of the thousands of terminal applications and merge... rxvt, xterm, xvt, mrxvt, eterm, blah blah blah blah Do we really need a crap ton of terminals that are all based off the same code? I know some add features, just make a program and allow you to change those settings as you feel fit.

Its things like that, where we have a bunch of projects that do the same thing yet nobody wants to merge. How many text editors do we need? Really, how many? Even worse, kwrite and kate are both from KDE. Merge/drop one and stick with it!

These are the real problems, we need to get past making a bunch of programs that do the same thing. It's neat, cool, and really fun, but pointless. I can see making kate vs gedit, too completely different WMs. That's fine, that's completely fine. However, having a bunch of pointless programs is just that... pointless.
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The real development for linux happens in the kernel and the libs, if we had universal libs for desktops it would be extremely nice. That is the real problem, having multiple distro's is not. Thing is we have great applications that use GTK and then others that use QT. It would be nice to have everything use a standard/unified API. That goes for everything, remove PulseAudio and put all those advancements back into ALSA itself.

Get rid of the thousands of terminal applications and merge... rxvt, xterm, xvt, mrxvt, eterm, blah blah blah blah Do we really need a crap ton of terminals that are all based off the same code? I know some add features, just make a program and allow you to change those settings as you feel fit.

Its things like that, where we have a bunch of projects that do the same thing yet nobody wants to merge. How many text editors do we need? Really, how many? Even worse, kwrite and kate are both from KDE. Merge/drop one and stick with it!

These are the real problems, we need to get past making a bunch of programs that do the same thing. It's neat, cool, and really fun, but pointless. I can see making kate vs gedit, too completely different WMs. That's fine, that's completely fine. However, having a bunch of pointless programs is just that... pointless.
There is plenty of development that takes place outside of the kernel--many people claim that the kernel itself is already bloated. Things don't have to be unified; in fact, forking is what makes projects advance when they start to slow down. Look at Libreoffice/OpenOffice, MPlayer/MPlayer2, etc...

For me, urxvt is my preference for terminal emulator. Vim for text editing. Those other projects? They aren't the solution for me, but they may be for somebody else. Somebody who's only ever used notepad doesn't want to use a text editor with the capabilities of vim.

Different developers have different philosophies for the applications. The reason why there's so many *xvt terminal emulators clearly isn't the lack of code being contributed. They clearly don't want the features added to their codebase. But the beauty of open source is that if you wanted to take all of those features and combine them into one application, you could. So, if you want a super *xvt, go start the project.

The one thing I have to agree with you on is that wish ALSA would get a better mixer implementation than dmix. I wish the pulseaudio devs had just done that instead of trying to create something independent.
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There is plenty of development that takes place outside of the kernel--many people claim that the kernel itself is already bloated. Things don't have to be unified; in fact, forking is what makes projects advance when they start to slow down. Look at Libreoffice/OpenOffice, MPlayer/MPlayer2, etc...

For me, urxvt is my preference for terminal emulator. Vim for text editing. Those other projects? They aren't the solution for me, but they may be for somebody else. Somebody who's only ever used notepad doesn't want to use a text editor with the capabilities of vim.

Different developers have different philosophies for the applications. The reason why there's so many *xvt terminal emulators clearly isn't the lack of code being contributed. They clearly don't want the features added to their codebase. But the beauty of open source is that if you wanted to take all of those features and combine them into one application, you could. So, if you want a super *xvt, go start the project.

The one thing I have to agree with you on is that wish ALSA would get a better mixer implementation than dmix. I wish the pulseaudio devs had just done that instead of trying to create something independent.
I understand the different philosophies but I believe some of it has been taken too far. The xvt is a good example, one of the forks has composition and that's it. Like the amount of code they used to create the composite ability is way under what I would ever consider bulk. There is another that I think just adds tabs? Merge the two?

That is the other beauty of Linux, to customize it. They could have compile switches and use flags that could turn a feature on or off. Let the end user decide, it makes things simple. I don't see why you have two forks that just add one feature, to me that is pointless.

It's that kind of stuff, they take the philosophy too hard core. it is one of the downfalls of Linux, plain and simple. What really (IMO) creates a distro is the patches that are applied and the software that is bundled with it. Since you can make any distro use any Linux software, the only thing that really defines it is the software that comes bundled and the minor tweaks they do do the base code of that software. I just think that if we set some things as more of a standard it would not only make it easier for the end user but also for the people who manage distros.

[edit] The package manager also defines a distro, but that mainly defines the base layout that the distro is to follow. Since a lot of them share that layout (the most popular is rpm/deb) then really that is a universal layout that doesn't quite define it. It defines it but only plays a small part in that definition.
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Greetz
First off let me cast my vote that Linux is never unified. Secondly, and more to the point, I consider much of the discussion here to assume, subconciously or right up front, that Linux is somehow "less than" or even a fail because it isn't more popular.... or maybe more exactly... that it's not overtaken windows. Please allow me to borrow a recent comparison and twist it a little. Are Ferrari and Lamborghini, fail because Ford and Chevy sells more? Take it a step further. Would you really enjoy it if there was only one car manufacturer, selling one model for all usage?

Is there a part of me that would rejoice and do movie cliches (Yes!) if Linux ever took the lead? Certainly. Is it ever going to happen? Not likely... and I, for one am on a deeper level glad for that. The odds are that people who lament that Linux has not become unified are the people who have used it long enough to see it's basic superior quality, but still rely on too many windows programs instead of seeking native alternatives.

One example is Photoshop. How many people mention or complain that Gimp is not on a par with Photoshop? Now, how many do you suppose actually bought Photoshop or would buy it at it's retail price just to do the trivial things most people do with PhotoShop? Even disregarding GimpShop, I would really love to see a list just one time of what important thing(s) Photoshop does that Gimp cannot. Most often it is just uncomfortable UI, and that's just from lack of familiarity, IMHO.

Just stick it out. It really doesn't take that long or that much effort to figure it our, especially these days with modern Linux. The rewards are there. That's a guarantee.

As for unification in my opinion that is both the best and at the same time the very worst thing about Windows. If it wasn't for Firefox all people still using Internet Exploder would be on version 6 with no tabbing at the very least. Stagnation is the price of unification.
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Oh no, I love linux just the way it is! I just think we could better the progress if we did things differently. I'm not going to yell at the devs though, I would just be told to become a dev. lol Not going to happen.
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