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I feel like this guide shouldn't have mentioned WINE so soon. It seems very stereotypical that most people coming from Windows always try to run everything in WINE. I try to stress that you should try to find a native application, and only use WINE as a last resort.
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I feel like this guide shouldn't have mentioned WINE so soon. It seems very stereotypical that most people coming from Windows always try to run everything in WINE. I try to stress that you should try to find a native application, and only use WINE as a last resort.
i have often felt WINE should be stricken from all noob guides and talk, it leads them down a path of frustration, cause i've heard plenty speak of WINE like the second coming...

it is also annoying to find a piece of software that claims to run in Linux, you download it, it is a tar, inside it you will find a directory tree with a precompiled version of WINE and a windows executable...that is "their" solution to being "linux compatible".

most noobs i know install wine, and then think it can run anything and everything that is made for windows...then they get mad cause it can't run 70% of the stuff, and don't even bother to look for the native alternatives, granted there are somethings that can't be replaced, but a lot of people don't even bother with it, and imho that is WINES fault.

there was a time, i had a whole list of applications that were only made for windows and i use to believe whole heartedly i couldn't live without them, that why linux wasn't meant for me, but thru a few years of trial and error. i found replacements for them, now when i go back to them, i find myself amused and often thinking "how did i ever use this?".

but i am by far not the status quo, to some there are simply no replacements and they aren't wiling to learn to do without or find a replacement, about the only time i truely understand that mentality is when it is a mission critical thing, like your work depends on it, then i slightly understand. at the same time, i often wonder if their work even bothered or just listened to the snake oil salesmen that this was a must have.
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i have often felt WINE should be stricken from all noob guides and talk, it leads them down a path of frustration, cause i've heard plenty speak of WINE like the second coming...

it is also annoying to find a piece of software that claims to run in Linux, you download it, it is a tar, inside it you will find a directory tree with a precompiled version of WINE and a windows executable...that is "their" solution to being "linux compatible".

most noobs i know install wine, and then think it can run anything and everything that is made for windows...then they get mad cause it can't run 70% of the stuff, and don't even bother to look for the native alternatives, granted there are somethings that can't be replaced, but a lot of people don't even bother with it, and imho that is WINES fault.

there was a time, i had a whole list of applications that were only made for windows and i use to believe whole heartedly i couldn't live without them, that why linux wasn't meant for me, but thru a few years of trial and error. i found replacements for them, now when i go back to them, i find myself amused and often thinking "how did i ever use this?".

but i am by far not the status quo, to some there are simply no replacements and they aren't wiling to learn to do without or find a replacement, about the only time i truely understand that mentality is when it is a mission critical thing, like your work depends on it, then i slightly understand. at the same time, i often wonder if their work even bothered or just listened to the snake oil salesmen that this was a must have.
Wine is the bottle that newbies believe they need to ween them off MS. It promises them the supposed compatibility with windows things they believe is holding them back (even though it rarely delivers without error). If recommending that at least gets them to try a distro, then mission accomplished. They at least tried it.

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For me, it's gaming and Microsoft Office that keep me off the linux partition.

Before you go recommending Libre or OO, I teach Microsoft Office workshops so it cannot be dropped.

As far as gaming, I have way too many games in steam that I bounce between. Quite a few are not supported very well in wine. Sure TF2 would run, but not much else.

I love linux to death, but I never have a reason to go back to that partition as my work and fun time all are stuck on windows. I know that office can sometimes be run in wine, but I've never had any luck getting it to do anything but crash constantly.
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Wine is the bottle that newbies believe they need to ween them off MS. It promises them the supposed compatibility with windows things they believe is holding them back (even though it rarely delivers without error). If recommending that at least gets them to try a distro, then mission accomplished. They at least tried it.

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For me, it's gaming and Microsoft Office that keep me off the linux partition.

Before you go recommending Libre or OO, I teach Microsoft Office workshops so it cannot be dropped.

As far as gaming, I have way too many games in steam that I bounce between. Quite a few are not supported very well in wine. Sure TF2 would run, but not much else.

I love linux to death, but I never have a reason to go back to that partition as my work and fun time all are stuck on windows. I know that office can sometimes be run in wine, but I've never had any luck getting it to do anything but crash constantly.
Build a 2nd computer for fun and tinker with it. Or build an HTPC and use it for that, Linux rocks for media. With the exception of Netflix, though IMO it is over rated. =P
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i have often felt WINE should be stricken from all noob guides and talk, it leads them down a path of frustration, cause i've heard plenty speak of WINE like the second coming...

it is also annoying to find a piece of software that claims to run in Linux, you download it, it is a tar, inside it you will find a directory tree with a precompiled version of WINE and a windows executable...that is "their" solution to being "linux compatible".

most noobs i know install wine, and then think it can run anything and everything that is made for windows...then they get mad cause it can't run 70% of the stuff, and don't even bother to look for the native alternatives, granted there are somethings that can't be replaced, but a lot of people don't even bother with it, and imho that is WINES fault.

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but i am by far not the status quo, to some there are simply no replacements and they aren't wiling to learn to do without or find a replacement, about the only time i truely understand that mentality is when it is a mission critical thing, like your work depends on it, then i slightly understand. at the same time, i often wonder if their work even bothered or just listened to the snake oil salesmen that this was a must have.
Is that a common practice? I've only noticed that with Teamviewer.
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Is that a common practice? I've only noticed that with Teamviewer.
i've seen it with a few database management programs, and small software companies for some games and simple programs. i see it as a concern, hope it doesn't become a common practice.
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