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CPU- AMD phenom 1055T
Motherboard- Asus M4A88T-M
Cooler- Scythe Shuriken Rev.B SCSK-1100
Case- Silverstone LC17
Thermal Paste- Arctic silver 5

I have recently built my computer and much like the previouse Intel QX6700 and the Pentium 4 it’s running way too hot at idle (with a decent cooler too). It’s not the ambient temperature because it’s winter right now (the CPU temperature was 50c with the case lid on and 48c with it off). I decided to check to see if I was applying the thermal paste properly (I used to use the zalman thermal paste and realize that I was spreading it too thick) so I used arctic silver cleaning solutions (wiping it off with kitchen towel- though some on the edges couldn’t be removed) and then used a small bb sized dollop in the middle (as is advised) and put the CPU cooler back on only tio find that the temperature started at 31c and after 30mins rose to 65c (after which I got bored of watching it increase further). The temperature is being measured by the bios hardware monitor (as I have not yet installed the O/S). With the previous CPU’s I already tried replacing the other components (including the CPU cooler) and it changed nothing and the CPU is definitely installed correctly (the fans are at max speed). I’m too afraid to spend lots of money on my computers these days (as the previous one cost £2500 in total and encountered other additional mysterious problems) and have never been able to really overclock any machines. I know that computers can make up some stupid random problems from time to time or perhaps I’m just cursed, but this is all unlikely.
If the temperature is still really high even with the case lid off and x2 80mm exhaust fans blowing right next to the cpu heatsink then it’s obviously nothing to do with space or obstruction. I used an antistatic wristband when handling all components and none of them got battered. The mobo temperature starts at 23c and ends on 48c (again slightly more of a problem this time round).

I’d like some suggestions on what to try or if needs be advise on who to see or what shops/businesses to take it to have someone else look it over (I’m not afraid to pay £50 if it means having this problem sorted and having the cause explained to me- I live in the UK by the way).

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If you're CPU is hitting 65 degrees under idle, it is probably because your CPU cooler isn't installed properly. It may not be flush against the CPU, or the paste may have created a bubble between the cooler and the chip, all things to check.

Best method of installing the cooler would be to:

1. clean both surfaces with rubbing alcohol or any other substance of the same sort. make sure no dust or other debris is left over.
2. like you said, apply a tiny sized glob of TIM in the center of the chip.
3. seat the cpu cooler directly into its proper position. push down as to spread the TIM naturally and try not to twist or lift the cooler after that
4. secure your cooler by screwing it in to the mobo. don't screw it in too tightly, but dont leave it too loose either..

And you might want to put your system specs in your signature. Click the USER CP link at the top of the forum to fill our your specs.
Edited by doritos93 - 12/30/10 at 2:25pm
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Originally Posted by contactadam2002 View Post
CPU- AMD phenom 1055T
Motherboard- Asus M4A88T-M
Cooler- Scythe Shuriken Rev.B SCSK-1100
Case- Silverstone LC17
Thermal Paste- Arctic silver 5

I have recently built my computer and much like the previouse Intel QX6700 and the Pentium 4 it’s running way too hot at idle (with a decent cooler too). It’s not the ambient temperature because it’s winter right now (the CPU temperature was 50c with the case lid on and 48c with it off). I decided to check to see if I was applying the thermal paste properly (I used to use the zalman thermal paste and realize that I was spreading it too thick) so I used arctic silver cleaning solutions (wiping it off with kitchen towel- though some on the edges couldn’t be removed) and then used a small bb sized dollop in the middle (as is advised) and put the CPU cooler back on only tio find that the temperature started at 31c and after 30mins rose to 65c (after which I got bored of watching it increase further). The temperature is being measured by the bios hardware monitor (as I have not yet installed the O/S). With the previous CPU’s I already tried replacing the other components (including the CPU cooler) and it changed nothing and the CPU is definitely installed correctly (the fans are at max speed). I’m too afraid to spend lots of money on my computers these days (as the previous one cost £2500 in total and encountered other additional mysterious problems) and have never been able to really overclock any machines. I know that computers can make up some stupid random problems from time to time or perhaps I’m just cursed, but this is all unlikely.
If the temperature is still really high even with the case lid off and x2 80mm exhaust fans blowing right next to the cpu heatsink then it’s obviously nothing to do with space or obstruction. I used an antistatic wristband when handling all components and none of them got battered. The mobo temperature starts at 23c and ends on 48c (again slightly more of a problem this time round).

I’d like some suggestions on what to try or if needs be advise on who to see or what shops/businesses to take it to have someone else look it over (I’m not afraid to pay £50 if it means having this problem sorted and having the cause explained to me- I live in the UK by the way).

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...omputer/A6.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...omputer/A5.jpg
Your CPU cooler and your case are both pretty poor. Your cables look like a bird's nest. I see your Scythe fan but don't recognize the heatsink. Doesn't seem to be a tower style or a Zalman 9700 (I have a Zalman 9700 in my game box). Air flow and heatsink from what I can gather are my best guess. Get the Rosewill Challenger case and you will be VERY happy you did (as a bonus it looks damn good too).

A short term solution and a permanent one if you don't care about overclocking is to undervolt your CPU. They will run at default speed with much lower vcore. I had mine running at 1.275 for a long time. As far as your fear of making bad purchase choices leading to flaky behavior that's what we're here for. Want to purchase a component or achieve some goal? Run it by the good people here, get good help, good luck and have a Happy New Year! And get good and --> IF you are of age!!!
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Make sure you check your bios to see your cpu voltage. I've had two rigs now where the bios designed for the x6 thubans were incorrectly configured at stock and assigned bloody obscene voltages. One of them was 1.475v and one of them was 1.552v
You should be able to get away with as low as 1.28v, but I try to keep mine around 1.3v. Stock is 1.35, no matter what your bios has it set to. Also make sure that your heatsink is mounted correctly. Stock AM3 retention brackets can be a little wonky to use at first, so make sure you've got it locked in tightly and you're not sitting on a loose heatsink!
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are both clips clipped into the am3 socket? and bios temps arent actual idle temps. bios tends to make the chip run a little hotter than it would in windows
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I hope you didn't use the "spread" method when you were applying thermal paste
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If you're CPU is hitting 65 degrees under idle, it is probably because your CPU cooler isn't installed properly. It may not be flush against the CPU, or the paste may have created a bubble between the cooler and the chip, all things to check.

Best method of installing the cooler would be to:

1. clean both surfaces with rubbing alcohol or any other substance of the same sort. make sure no dust or other debris is left over.
2. like you said, apply a tiny sized glob of TIM in the center of the chip.
3. seat the cpu cooler directly into its proper position. push down as to spread the TIM naturally and try not to twist or lift the cooler after that
4. secure your cooler by screwing it in to the mobo. don't screw it in too tightly, but dont leave it too loose either..

And you might want to put your system specs in your signature. Click the USER CP link at the top of the forum to fill our your specs.

I've gone against 3/4 of those rules and my 1055t @ 3.5ghz is 46c at full load


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I've gone against 3/4 of those rules and my 1055t @ 3.5ghz is 46c at full load


I'm glad you found my guidelines helpful.
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I hope you didn't use the "spread" method when you were applying thermal paste
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If the temperature is still really high even with the case lid off and x2 80mm exhaust fans blowing right next to the cpu heatsink then it’s obviously nothing to do with space or obstruction. I used an antistatic wristband when handling all components and none of them got battered. The mobo temperature starts at 23c and ends on 48c (again slightly more of a problem this time round).
Although cable management is a mess, that's not the problem in this particular case as the case has the sidepanel open.
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I’d like some suggestions on what to try or if needs be advise on who to see or what shops/businesses to take it to have someone else look it over (I’m not afraid to pay £50 if it means having this problem sorted and having the cause explained to me- I live in the UK by the way).

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http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...omputer/A5.jpg
Two things:
*in BIOS the CPU isn't idle by any means. The CPU is at ~0% load, but no power saving measure works while in BIOS. I would classify BIOS load as a mild-to-high load
*65°C is a lot though, but considering the puny HSF it may be normal. 1st of all remove the cooler and for the thermal paste spread it evenly across the surface with a credit card, the drop method isn't ideal. BIOS temp may dip below 60°C if done properly. If you want lower temps get a Cooler Master Hyper 212+ (~20£) and a second fan (~5£). B4 that though install Windows and check out the "real" idle/load temps.
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