Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Hard Drives & Storage › SSD › SSD RAID vs TRIM
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

SSD RAID vs TRIM

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Basically, is the added performance of RAID-0 when using SSD's worth the loss of TRIM and therefore the reduced performance over time?

At what sort of rate does the performance drop at?

These drives would be used for the OS and all programs. Browsers, office, media players etc. Would this sort of use really have that much wear on the drives?
Animus
(22 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 3770K Asus Maximus V Formula Z77 EVGA GTX980Ti SC+ ACX 2.0+ 2 x 4GB Corsair Dominator GT 1866Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
Samsung 840 Pro 128GB 2 x WD 1TB Blue EZEX RAID0 EK Supremacy - Copper / Acetal EK Titan X & Backplate - Copper / Acetal 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK 360XTX EK Spin Reservoir - Acetal Liang DDC / EK Top EK PSC Compression Fittings 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Professional 64bit 3 x Samsung P2450H 24" Filco Majestouch 2 - Cherry Blues Corsair TX750 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair 800D Razer Deathadder 2013 Razer Destructor 2 Creative Titanium HD 
AudioAudio
Fiio E9 Amplifier Beyerdynamic DT880 Premium (600 Ohm) 
  hide details  
Reply
Animus
(22 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 3770K Asus Maximus V Formula Z77 EVGA GTX980Ti SC+ ACX 2.0+ 2 x 4GB Corsair Dominator GT 1866Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
Samsung 840 Pro 128GB 2 x WD 1TB Blue EZEX RAID0 EK Supremacy - Copper / Acetal EK Titan X & Backplate - Copper / Acetal 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK 360XTX EK Spin Reservoir - Acetal Liang DDC / EK Top EK PSC Compression Fittings 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Professional 64bit 3 x Samsung P2450H 24" Filco Majestouch 2 - Cherry Blues Corsair TX750 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair 800D Razer Deathadder 2013 Razer Destructor 2 Creative Titanium HD 
AudioAudio
Fiio E9 Amplifier Beyerdynamic DT880 Premium (600 Ohm) 
  hide details  
Reply
post #2 of 21
Subd...........
I'm wondering this too. I just bought 2 60gb callisto deluxes.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
2600k Gigabyte Z68 MSI N480GTX 16 GB Patriot 1600 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
1.5TB Hitachi - 120GB Crucial C300 SSD LG Win7Ultimate a couple 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Saitek Eclipse II Thermaltake 750 Thermaltake A60 Armor microsoft 3000 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
2600k Gigabyte Z68 MSI N480GTX 16 GB Patriot 1600 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
1.5TB Hitachi - 120GB Crucial C300 SSD LG Win7Ultimate a couple 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Saitek Eclipse II Thermaltake 750 Thermaltake A60 Armor microsoft 3000 
  hide details  
Reply
post #3 of 21
Your Sequential Write will slow that is all... small writes will slow as well but will still be faster then HDD's in RAID.
RAID 5 extreme!
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 860 Gigabyte GA-P55-UD4 Gainward GTX 295 V2 1792MB 8GB (4x2GB) Corsair XMS3 DDR3 1600MHz XMP 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
3x 80GB Intel SSD M25-M G2---3x 320GB Seagate 7200 Windows 7 professional 64-bit Thermaltake Toughpower 650W Cooler Master WaveMaster 
  hide details  
Reply
RAID 5 extreme!
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 860 Gigabyte GA-P55-UD4 Gainward GTX 295 V2 1792MB 8GB (4x2GB) Corsair XMS3 DDR3 1600MHz XMP 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
3x 80GB Intel SSD M25-M G2---3x 320GB Seagate 7200 Windows 7 professional 64-bit Thermaltake Toughpower 650W Cooler Master WaveMaster 
  hide details  
Reply
post #4 of 21
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PeterUK View Post
Your Sequential Write will slow that is all... small writes will slow as well but will still be faster then HDD's in RAID.
Over what sort of timescale are we talking? Being used as a boot drive and main programs. Not storage where things are constantly being moved and replaced.
Animus
(22 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 3770K Asus Maximus V Formula Z77 EVGA GTX980Ti SC+ ACX 2.0+ 2 x 4GB Corsair Dominator GT 1866Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
Samsung 840 Pro 128GB 2 x WD 1TB Blue EZEX RAID0 EK Supremacy - Copper / Acetal EK Titan X & Backplate - Copper / Acetal 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK 360XTX EK Spin Reservoir - Acetal Liang DDC / EK Top EK PSC Compression Fittings 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Professional 64bit 3 x Samsung P2450H 24" Filco Majestouch 2 - Cherry Blues Corsair TX750 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair 800D Razer Deathadder 2013 Razer Destructor 2 Creative Titanium HD 
AudioAudio
Fiio E9 Amplifier Beyerdynamic DT880 Premium (600 Ohm) 
  hide details  
Reply
Animus
(22 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 3770K Asus Maximus V Formula Z77 EVGA GTX980Ti SC+ ACX 2.0+ 2 x 4GB Corsair Dominator GT 1866Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
Samsung 840 Pro 128GB 2 x WD 1TB Blue EZEX RAID0 EK Supremacy - Copper / Acetal EK Titan X & Backplate - Copper / Acetal 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK 360XTX EK Spin Reservoir - Acetal Liang DDC / EK Top EK PSC Compression Fittings 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Professional 64bit 3 x Samsung P2450H 24" Filco Majestouch 2 - Cherry Blues Corsair TX750 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair 800D Razer Deathadder 2013 Razer Destructor 2 Creative Titanium HD 
AudioAudio
Fiio E9 Amplifier Beyerdynamic DT880 Premium (600 Ohm) 
  hide details  
Reply
post #5 of 21
I'm not sure the exact performance or anything, but you shouldn't worry as the SSDs have garbage collection which is kinda the same thing as TRIM, but it works during RAID as well. Personally, I wouldn't RAID0 anything, but that's me.
Ahh!
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 920 D0 4.11 GHz Asus P6T Sapphire HD 5770 1GB Corsair DDR3 1600 6GB 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
C300 128GB | WD Green 1TB Win 7 Ulimate 64-Bit Samsung 2770H Corsair 650HX 
Case
CM Sniper Black Edition 
  hide details  
Reply
Ahh!
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 920 D0 4.11 GHz Asus P6T Sapphire HD 5770 1GB Corsair DDR3 1600 6GB 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
C300 128GB | WD Green 1TB Win 7 Ulimate 64-Bit Samsung 2770H Corsair 650HX 
Case
CM Sniper Black Edition 
  hide details  
Reply
post #6 of 21
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by maximus20895 View Post
I'm not sure the exact performance or anything, but you shouldn't worry as the SSDs have garbage collection which is kinda the same thing as TRIM, but it works during RAID as well. Personally, I wouldn't RAID0 anything, but that's me.
Are your reasons for not RAID0ing to do with the higher risk of failure?
Animus
(22 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 3770K Asus Maximus V Formula Z77 EVGA GTX980Ti SC+ ACX 2.0+ 2 x 4GB Corsair Dominator GT 1866Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
Samsung 840 Pro 128GB 2 x WD 1TB Blue EZEX RAID0 EK Supremacy - Copper / Acetal EK Titan X & Backplate - Copper / Acetal 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK 360XTX EK Spin Reservoir - Acetal Liang DDC / EK Top EK PSC Compression Fittings 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Professional 64bit 3 x Samsung P2450H 24" Filco Majestouch 2 - Cherry Blues Corsair TX750 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair 800D Razer Deathadder 2013 Razer Destructor 2 Creative Titanium HD 
AudioAudio
Fiio E9 Amplifier Beyerdynamic DT880 Premium (600 Ohm) 
  hide details  
Reply
Animus
(22 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 3770K Asus Maximus V Formula Z77 EVGA GTX980Ti SC+ ACX 2.0+ 2 x 4GB Corsair Dominator GT 1866Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
Samsung 840 Pro 128GB 2 x WD 1TB Blue EZEX RAID0 EK Supremacy - Copper / Acetal EK Titan X & Backplate - Copper / Acetal 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK 360XTX EK Spin Reservoir - Acetal Liang DDC / EK Top EK PSC Compression Fittings 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Professional 64bit 3 x Samsung P2450H 24" Filco Majestouch 2 - Cherry Blues Corsair TX750 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair 800D Razer Deathadder 2013 Razer Destructor 2 Creative Titanium HD 
AudioAudio
Fiio E9 Amplifier Beyerdynamic DT880 Premium (600 Ohm) 
  hide details  
Reply
post #7 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crooksy View Post
Over what sort of timescale are we talking?
There is no way to say what sort of timescale this will happen even if you say how your going to use your SSD it could be weeks, months or years....
RAID 5 extreme!
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 860 Gigabyte GA-P55-UD4 Gainward GTX 295 V2 1792MB 8GB (4x2GB) Corsair XMS3 DDR3 1600MHz XMP 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
3x 80GB Intel SSD M25-M G2---3x 320GB Seagate 7200 Windows 7 professional 64-bit Thermaltake Toughpower 650W Cooler Master WaveMaster 
  hide details  
Reply
RAID 5 extreme!
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 860 Gigabyte GA-P55-UD4 Gainward GTX 295 V2 1792MB 8GB (4x2GB) Corsair XMS3 DDR3 1600MHz XMP 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
3x 80GB Intel SSD M25-M G2---3x 320GB Seagate 7200 Windows 7 professional 64-bit Thermaltake Toughpower 650W Cooler Master WaveMaster 
  hide details  
Reply
post #8 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crooksy View Post
Are your reasons for not RAID0ing to do with the higher risk of failure?
Mine are, that and I don't feel that RAID-0 offers anything significant. We got 4 x C300 64 GBs in RAID-0 at work. I can't tell the difference, computer operates the same.
Big Daddy
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7-4970k ASUS Z97-A 2 x EVGA GTX 980Ti Classified 32GB DDR3 1866MHz Corsair Dominators 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
2 x Samsung 1TB EVO SSD Corsair H80i Windows 10 x64 ASUS ROG Swift M 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Vortex Pok3r Corsair 1200W Jonsbo UMX3 Mionix 
  hide details  
Reply
Big Daddy
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7-4970k ASUS Z97-A 2 x EVGA GTX 980Ti Classified 32GB DDR3 1866MHz Corsair Dominators 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
2 x Samsung 1TB EVO SSD Corsair H80i Windows 10 x64 ASUS ROG Swift M 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Vortex Pok3r Corsair 1200W Jonsbo UMX3 Mionix 
  hide details  
Reply
post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Limes View Post
Mine are, that and I don't feel that RAID-0 offers anything significant. We got 4 x C300 64 GBs in RAID-0 at work. I can't tell the difference, computer operates the same.
Wow really? I can tell the difference between 1 drive and 2 in RAID0 with HDD's. and everyone on here says that the difference is night and day.

I'm not really a power user but I do enjoy maximum performance so can you tell the difference between 1 regular SSD and 2 in a RAID0 array?
Animus
(22 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 3770K Asus Maximus V Formula Z77 EVGA GTX980Ti SC+ ACX 2.0+ 2 x 4GB Corsair Dominator GT 1866Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
Samsung 840 Pro 128GB 2 x WD 1TB Blue EZEX RAID0 EK Supremacy - Copper / Acetal EK Titan X & Backplate - Copper / Acetal 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK 360XTX EK Spin Reservoir - Acetal Liang DDC / EK Top EK PSC Compression Fittings 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Professional 64bit 3 x Samsung P2450H 24" Filco Majestouch 2 - Cherry Blues Corsair TX750 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair 800D Razer Deathadder 2013 Razer Destructor 2 Creative Titanium HD 
AudioAudio
Fiio E9 Amplifier Beyerdynamic DT880 Premium (600 Ohm) 
  hide details  
Reply
Animus
(22 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 3770K Asus Maximus V Formula Z77 EVGA GTX980Ti SC+ ACX 2.0+ 2 x 4GB Corsair Dominator GT 1866Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
Samsung 840 Pro 128GB 2 x WD 1TB Blue EZEX RAID0 EK Supremacy - Copper / Acetal EK Titan X & Backplate - Copper / Acetal 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK 360XTX EK Spin Reservoir - Acetal Liang DDC / EK Top EK PSC Compression Fittings 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Professional 64bit 3 x Samsung P2450H 24" Filco Majestouch 2 - Cherry Blues Corsair TX750 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair 800D Razer Deathadder 2013 Razer Destructor 2 Creative Titanium HD 
AudioAudio
Fiio E9 Amplifier Beyerdynamic DT880 Premium (600 Ohm) 
  hide details  
Reply
post #10 of 21
Once all the "fresh" NAND is written to, writes are going to be painfully slow without TRIM. Newer SSD's like the C300 and Sandforce variations have internal garbage collection even in RAID. However, garbage collection is an after the fact solution whereas TRIM is a preventative measure.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crooksy View Post
Wow really? I can tell the difference between 1 drive and 2 in RAID0 with HDD's. and everyone on here says that the difference is night and day.

I'm not really a power user but I do enjoy maximum performance so can you tell the difference between 1 regular SSD and 2 in a RAID0 array?
SSD's are much faster than hard drives, especially in access times and small random reads/writes. Your hard drives in RAID0 only significantly improve sequential speeds. It is much harder to perceive the effectiveness of RAID0 SSD's compared to a single SSD. RAID0 SSD's are just going to make sequential transfers a bit faster (for general desktop usage). Most people's work patterns probably won't benefit from RAID0 SSD's.
Edited by Riou - 12/31/10 at 9:29am
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: SSD
Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Hard Drives & Storage › SSD › SSD RAID vs TRIM