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That is a major problem we are having at work right now. They "upgraded" to 2007, mostly because they were forced to because they could not get 2003 any more. And it works good enough. I mean, 2007 is a piece of poo, with the giant, screen eating ribbon menus - but it works adequately enough, despite all of the nasty bugs and design flaws. But people keep sending DOCX - which absolutely gets chewed up and spit out as "virus" by the virus scanners on the servers in the corporation - because DOCX (and the other X formats) continue to be verboten by corporate policy.

Of course, it saves in DOC perfectly well, but one has to remember to Save As all the time. Too bad they just didn't have a preference option that would nuke DOCX, and enforce DOC or RTF format. And for myself, my machine can handle DOCX, but a lot of people still have older machines that can't - so it is a real fiasco when someone tried to send DOCX to the rest of the department. (Hence why no one showed up at the last department meeting - document couldn't be opened, or wwas tossed junk on the servers.)
Which is exactly why if you have everyone on the same office program (OpenOffice.org or LibreOffice) then you'd never have to worry about it. Honestly, with the ease, speed, and the fact that it doesn't require powerful PCs, Linux should be the perfect office/business OS if people just weren't afraid. I can run the most "bloated" distros on a netbook (outside of Fedora) with performance at it's worst being as slow as windows. That's a 10Watt single core CPU running at 1.66GHz max with 1GB of RAM being able to have the equivalent of Word, PowerPoint, and Excel running at the same time all while using only 500MBs of RAM with little to no slow down. Can windows do that? Not unless you know how to hack it down to size which I think is a lot more difficult than setting up a distro is.
     
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tldr again
1. Yes you can install anti virus software on windows to combat it. But with linux you really don't need it.
2. Exclusive software is a bad argument since we are talking about people who (once again) only go online for the most part.

Going back and forth with you is futile. Your not making any good arguments.

Welcome to the internet I suppose.
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1. Yes you can install anti virus software on windows to combat it. But with linux you really don't need it.
Most 32-bit Windows viruses aren't even compatible with x86-64 Windows. And x86-64 Windows has improved its security a lot better than the days of Windows XP. Spyware and viruses aren't going to be as much a problem as they were in the past.

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2. Exclusive software is a bad argument since we are talking about people who (once again) only go online for the most part.
Exclusive software is not at all a bad argument. It's an excellent argument: why do you think we—you included—use Windows? It's because of the exclusive software, plain and simple.

That's also why the PlayStation 2 was so dominant in sales as it was: exclusive games. Exclusive features is what users and customers are attracted by. You don't have to be a rocket scientist or hold a Ph.D to figure that out.

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Going back and forth with you is futile.
I know, I'm so awesome. Most people can't handle me

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Your not making any good arguments.
Actually, I am, and that's why you can't refute my arguments. More importantly, it's spelled you're.

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Welcome to the internet I suppose.
Thanks, perhaps you'll learn something from the internetz eventually, like for example, that Windows is the predominant desktop OS, has been, and probably will be for a long time to come. And neither you nor Russia will change that with your Linux advocacy.


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Most 32-bit Windows viruses aren't even compatible with x86-64 Windows. And x86-64 Windows has improved its security a lot better than the days of Windows XP. Spyware and viruses aren't going to be as much a problem as they were in the past.
It has improved. People still get viruses and spyware.

Linux can solve that in part, there is no way around the argument that Linux is more secure.
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Exclusive software is not at all a bad argument. It's an excellent argument: why do you think we—you included—use Windows? It's because of the exclusive software, plain and simple.
For the last time we are talking about the everyday person who just goes on the web to check facebook, email, porn, whatever. I know personally I use windows because I game on it, but I am not the every day user and you probably aren't either.

This is another reason why Mac books and tablets are becoming so popular. All people want is access to the web, they have no need for windows exclusive software.

If I quit gaming, I could delete my windows partition today. No one else in my neighborhood has that problem, thats why they have a wii/360/ps3.
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Actually, I am, and that's why you can't refute my arguments.
I've done it every time. Probably will continue to do so.

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Thanks, perhaps you'll learn something from the internetz eventually, like for example, that Windows is the predominant desktop OS, has been, and probably will be for a long time to come. And neither you nor Russia will change that with your Linux advocacy.
Tell that to Russia.


Times are changing. Are you so slow that you haven't seen everything starting to shift? More and more internet applications are replacing existing software. Google docs for example. Maybe one day OnLive or something like it will replace gaming as we know it.

The point is it is becoming increasingly EASY to switch to Linux as your primary OS. And it is not far fetched at all to say that Russia will have the majority of its population on Linux by 2015.
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Windows 7 Pro for free plus a bunch of Microsoft products free....school saves me.
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Which is exactly why if you have everyone on the same office program (OpenOffice.org or LibreOffice) then you'd never have to worry about it. Honestly, with the ease, speed, and the fact that it doesn't require powerful PCs, Linux should be the perfect office/business OS if people just weren't afraid.
Fear is the number one thing - because there are many people that could entirely have some Linux rig and do everything they need. Even in my workplace, most people have no actual need for Windows - we don't even use Windows except to load Citrix, and run the applications off of the application server. I'd say that if they ported a few key bits of software from Windows to Linux, or make them runnable off of the servers, we could shed most of the systems. The funkiest is some specialty software we have, that for some reason, requires Windows - even though the equipment and all of the bits of hardware and servers along the way are 100% Unix based (VxWorks). Sad thing is, some of the software only uses Windows to open a DOS Window up, to run the software with the exact same look and feed of the DOS console based days - and I suspect they are not changing all too soon because why recompile when the outside contractor that writes the garbage is raking in huge cash by being retrograde?

For the general public, they could entirely use Linux, straight up, as all of the popular applications, like web browsers, email, contact management, database access, office suites, and so on, are entirely available, stable, and as advanced and "easy to use". I think the only out is if people have specialty software, like the calibration software we use that is Windows only, or perhaps CAD/CAM and some other categories that simply have not ported their products to non-Windows platforms.
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That's why Windows (or Mac OS X) will always be more popular because game developers aren't interested in launching their games on an operating system that encourages its users to not buy the software.
Yet statistics show that Linux gamers are more likely to pay a higher price for software if given the opportunity to choose how much they want to pay. Windows gamers are stingy


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I like you used to think the MPC was "superior" but if you ever use mplayer or the front end SMPlayer with the right setting you will realize how bad MPC and all windows players are.
MPC != MPC-HC

MPC-HC is much better than regular MPC. That said, anything that will work with MadVR > all.
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Fear is the number one thing - because there are many people that could entirely have some Linux rig and do everything they need. Even in my workplace, most people have no actual need for Windows - we don't even use Windows except to load Citrix, and run the applications off of the application server. I'd say that if they ported a few key bits of software from Windows to Linux, or make them runnable off of the servers, we could shed most of the systems. The funkiest is some specialty software we have, that for some reason, requires Windows - even though the equipment and all of the bits of hardware and servers along the way are 100% Unix based (VxWorks). Sad thing is, some of the software only uses Windows to open a DOS Window up, to run the software with the exact same look and feed of the DOS console based days - and I suspect they are not changing all too soon because why recompile when the outside contractor that writes the garbage is raking in huge cash by being retrograde?

For the general public, they could entirely use Linux, straight up, as all of the popular applications, like web browsers, email, contact management, database access, office suites, and so on, are entirely available, stable, and as advanced and "easy to use". I think the only out is if people have specialty software, like the calibration software we use that is Windows only, or perhaps CAD/CAM and some other categories that simply have not ported their products to non-Windows platforms.
Yes I agree. At my workplace I'm sure that 85 - 90% of people could easily switch to an all Linux setup. All we need to run is TN5250 emulator which is Java. Open Office/Libre Office and Thunderbird. In fact I think it would be an upgrade for most. I think Gnome looks better, has better fonts and runs much better on our machines than XP. Plus most people are using Office XP - 2003 and running Outlook express. I think just switching to thunderbird(which I'm starting to do for people) and open office would be an upgrade.

I personally would never switch(although I've tried many times). Although I think Gnome and KDE work and look 100 times better than XP I think they are crap compared to Windows 7. I personally like Windows 7. And when I say I like it I mean I like the DE. I hate the OS. Like I said before if I could have the Windows 7 UI on top of Linux or BSD I would love it. I would worry about software second.

No matter how many times I change my entire setups to MacOSX or Linux I always run back to Windows 7, not because of the software, but because of the look, feel, and overall usability. This only has to deal with DE on Linux. I agree Linux and MacOSX kill Windows XP, and Vista, but next to Windows 7 they are trash. If I would have tried switched to Linux(or MacOSX) 2 years ago, before Windows 7 came out, it would have been easy.

I can't find a good theme and window decorator that I like in Gnome and KDE. I've searched and searched and searched. KDE has come the closest to usability and theme choices, but still not 100%. I can't find a good task bar for KDE like in Windows 7. Dock Bar X works rather well in gnome but I can't find any themes that look good for gnome. Not one. I also can't get the fonts to look like they do in Gnome. Even with the same settings there not as nice as in Gnome. So one DE has some stuff that I want and the other has other things that I want.
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