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Personally I find that there are minor things about the Windows 7 UI that bother me, just like there are things that annoy me about GNOME and KDE (with their respective WMs and WDs). Firstly, window borders could be 1/2 or 1/3 the thickness that they are. The amount of wasted screen space when putting two windows side-by-side is not insignificant. Secondly, the drop shadows beneath windows are absurdly thick and dark. I like drop shadows, but there's a line, and Windows 7 (and probably Vista too) has crossed that line

Font rendering is ok in Win 7, but a little over-hinted. XP on the other hand, ugh, what a horrible mess.
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in Soviet Russia..... Linux adopts U!
    
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Which is exactly why if you have everyone on the same office program (OpenOffice.org or LibreOffice) then you'd never have to worry about it. Honestly, with the ease, speed, and the fact that it doesn't require powerful PCs, Linux should be the perfect office/business OS if people just weren't afraid. I can run the most "bloated" distros on a netbook (outside of Fedora) with performance at it's worst being as slow as windows. That's a 10Watt single core CPU running at 1.66GHz max with 1GB of RAM being able to have the equivalent of Word, PowerPoint, and Excel running at the same time all while using only 500MBs of RAM with little to no slow down. Can windows do that? Not unless you know how to hack it down to size which I think is a lot more difficult than setting up a distro is.
It isn't about being afraid of linux that makes it unsuitable for a wide migration of workstation to use linux but rather the costs, downtime, security problems etc. that come along with it.

OpenSource software in most enterprise enviorments dosen't come for "free". Companies perfer to have OS support contracts incase their systems go down because of the operating system (for example, microsoft has support contracts for the *nix machines that they run). These aren't cheap! Furthermore the transfer from windows boxes to *nix boxes can rack up in price significantly. Large corporations rely heavily on customised software designed for their systems. The cost to make such software work for a totaly new enviorment can be costly, not to meantion the years of bug fixing required until the system is 100% stable. All the downtime from such silly issues as their accounting programs aren't running right can cost alot of man hours in both the Accounting department and more significantly the IT department. This along with having to train all the employees, IT staff, and other costs makes the transfer far from cheap.

Security is also another grave concern. Security isn't only about viruses and spyware or whatnot (which are rather trivial threats in an IT enviorment) but more importantly internal threats such as employees/visitors getting access to files/services they should not have access to, to external threats such as remote users/hackers able to get access to internal services. When a coorporation relies heavily on one OS, they generally gather IT staff that know that OS well. switching to a different OS can lead to configuration problems because those IT staff who are significantly knowledgable in MS don't have a clue on how to PROPERLY setup a linux box. The Linux Kernal itself might be secure, but add simple misconfigurations for services running on it (eg. placing the allowoverride directive in the wrong place) can lead to catastrophic information leaks and lead to significant losses for a coorporation. This can be easily solved by hiring new staff... but now you just added $50k per new employee a year (around here more or less $70k and above at the very least) to the cost of transfering to linux.

Generally you'll see buissnesses move towards virtual clients and have all their workstations run on centralized servers rather then have seperate boxes for each workstation. This eliminates alot of the cost in buying new machines making the low resource requirments for linux less attractive. A recent local experiment that caught my attention was with virutal clients which yielded the ability to run 28 CAD workstations smoothly with only 2 $8000 server blades with no noticable decrease in performance.

One thing is for sure... russia isn't going to have an easy time transfering from MS to *nix.
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Does anyone on here realize that a large organization such as the Russian government opting to switch to Linux is not "free"? To first point out the obvious, I doubt they will be running copies of Ubuntu that they have downloaded. More than likely they will be using a commercial distro, like Red Hat that has a subscription fee for support which leads me to my next point.
They're making their own version based on Linux, I think.

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Ubuntu is easier as Windows to install. And plus it can come installed on prebuilt computers just like windows does.
Fixed, it can practically automatically do everything straight off the LiveCD whereas with Windows you still have to manually partition, etc.

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This times a million! I <3 Linux but I play games fairly regularly so...
So do I, Wine plays most of the ones that don't have a native Linux version and the rest I could dual boot if I want.
Heck, wine plays a game natively that I can't play on Windows 7. (Gearhead Garage)

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Further, the driver thing is kind of an AMD/ATI issue; I stayed away from them because of this known problem (I'm a noob, have mercy).
Heh, I do that too, I figure that even though it's only one sale, it may make AMD think "Hurr durr, lets make good Linux drivers for extra sales"

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Because RMS made Linux and not GNU?

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I'd use Linux for the full 100% of the time if it had a decent office suite OOffice or Koffice just don't cut it. IMO.
Especially when it comes to compatibility with MS office.
Office 2007 works perfectly fine in wine, just sayin'

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Most 32-bit Windows viruses aren't even compatible with x86-64 Windows. And x86-64 Windows has improved its security a lot better than the days of Windows XP. Spyware and viruses aren't going to be as much a problem as they were in the past.
There's a massive difference between something that's like a fortress (*nix based, eg. BSD, Linux and OS X) and something that's like a fortress with massive revolving doors on each side, 3 of which were later boarded up (Windows). Adding patches while keeping the old base will never be as secure as just starting with a new base, Windows still fails at security simply because the user always runs as admin (Except at work, school, etc), even if they don't need to, UAC simply sucked at doing what sudo/su does.

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Exclusive software is not at all a bad argument. It's an excellent argument: why do you think we—you included—use Windows? It's because of the exclusive software, plain and simple.
He's talking about the average user, the type of user that would get by just as fine, if not better with Ubuntu 10.10, Firefox, Brasero and Rhythmbox as s/he would be with Windows 7 x64, IE8, Nero (Crappiest CD/DVD authoring program EVER.) and iTunes/WMP.

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Actually, I am, and that's why you can't refute my arguments. More importantly, it's spelled you're.
You seem to be dancing around points a lot and believing the marketing department at Redmond a tad too much to be making good arguments, for example, viruses will be less of a problem than in the past but until MS adds sandboxing (While rewriting a lot of Windows so its not just an added on patch) or forces you to use a non-admin account while having access to one if you need to in a non-annoying way, they'll be a problem whereas with Linux...They'll only ever be a problem based on 3rd parties code. (Adobe, I'm looking at you)
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I don't know why this is even surprising to many of you. China's Military uses OpenBSD.

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They're ditching an American-based OS for another American-based OS? Cool story.



Yes, because Communism and tyranny is great.

DEEEERP.
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How is the Linux-Kernel in ANY WAY American?
You have no idea what you're talking about. Just like how you think Communism still exists.

No wonder the rest of the world says America carries Cold War mentality, the masses are still dumbed down and stuck in the past.
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You have no idea what you're talking about. Just like how you think Communism still exists.

No wonder the rest of the world says America carries Cold War mentality, the masses are still dumbed down and stuck in the past.
I do have to agree, most US folk still think Russia, Estonia and Yugoslavia still form a Soviet Bloc

Those parts of the world are amazing though. Modern, but with some amazing history.
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... like the calibration software we use that is Windows only, or perhaps CAD/CAM and some other categories that simply have not ported their products to non-Windows platforms.
I have no problem using my Maxon Cinema 4D on ubuntu. Matter of fact since Ubentu 7.10 I've had no issues. Wine installs and uses the programs so smoothly that it's like it's on windows.

I did hear a rumor that Maxon has a Native Linux version of Cinema 4D (but you have to contact them and ask for it specifically). If a major well know program like cinema 4D which has been used in: Iron Man 2, King Aurthur, Open Season, Spiderman 3 & District 9 (to name a few).

movies/games/commercials like these I'm a proud user of Cinema 4D

Then there's plenty of motivation. Honestly I think that companies are just lazy. They don't want to make the switch,..because it'll take to much time. If it only takes 18 minutes for my Ubuntu to be installed, then a DBA can install 3 ubuntu's in an hour x 8 hour shift. That's 24 computers that have been switched. It's not THAT hard. Heaven forbid that there be 2 DBA's working on the same thing.
     
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You seem to be dancing around points a lot and believing the marketing department at Redmond a tad too much to be making good arguments, for example, viruses will be less of a problem than in the past but until MS adds sandboxing (While rewriting a lot of Windows so its not just an added on patch) or forces you to use a non-admin account while having access to one if you need to in a non-annoying way, they'll be a problem whereas with Linux...They'll only ever be a problem based on 3rd parties code. (Adobe, I'm looking at you)
If Windows incorporated sudo and forced you to use a standard account it still comes down to one major problem: .exe, .com, .bat files can always be executed. In Linux (and MacOSX) stuff has to be flagged for execution, therefore the underlining problem will likely never be fixed. Unless they come out with a new extension that just can't be executed without proper permissions and banned all the other executable extensions.

Like I said before: tell Microsoft to write the Windows 7 UI for *nix systems and 75% of my problems would be solved.

I'm telling you if I switched to Linux 2 years ago I wouldn't have one problem with it. Linux(and MacOSX) is awesome compared to XP and Vista, but it's straight trash compared to Windows 7(the DE).
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Damn I should have posted this yesterday when I found it on softpedia.

Either way I would be living there if it wasn't for the damn cold weather and Putin. *shakes head* Damn, him and his KG..I mean FSB.
I like Putin!
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I like Putin!
Technically Putin is no longer in charge... technically.
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