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Thanks Youra.

Here's the comp link between his and mine:
http://3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/103140/3dm11/251810

He's a tiny bit behind in the Physics test (like .5fps) even though he's clocked higher, so maybe HT has a tiny impact, I dunno.

We're pretty much neck-and-neck, trading blows on all the tests. I'm wondering if an OC'd set can take a lead over my 470's?
You could always turn off HT and rerun it . I assume that he would take a slight lead had he overclocked it, but I dont believe that the 6970 has too much OC potential.

Like the 5XXX series, the headroom for the 6 series may be around 1GHZ if not a little less on air.

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Sorry to burst your bubble but the 5770 isn't the end all be all.

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do not get me wrong, these are great cards, and have handled everything I have thrown at them. Even at 1080p (reasonable settings of course for games such as metro etc) but they aren't no 480.

also it took a while for ATI to come out with some decent drivers, although it seems some people had issues when others did not.
I think he was joking mate.

I'm going off to bed, hopefully somebody here can post some real benchmarks. I'm also want to upgrade, but I'm still hopping the fence.
Edited by youra6 - 12/31/10 at 12:21am
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Sorry to burst your bubble but the 5770 isn't the end all be all.

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do not get me wrong, these are great cards, and have handled everything I have thrown at them. Even at 1080p (reasonable settings of course for games such as metro etc) but they aren't no 480.

also it took a while for ATI to come out with some decent drivers, although it seems some people had issues when others did not.
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I know I was just joking dude, 470 sli smokes 5770 cf obviously. Thank goodness I don't play Crysis and Metro all day or I might have to spend $600 on cards to get it to run smoothly
    
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You could always turn off HT and rerun it . I assume that he would take a slight lead had he overclocked it, but I dont believe that the 6970 has too much OC potential.

Like the 5XXX series, the headroom for the 6 series may be around 1GHZ if not a little less on air.
I may try that, just for academic reasons but it's the GPU score I'm mainly concerned with (I edited my post a bit btw).

I'd guess the OC potential isn't that great either on the 6970 since it starts out w/pretty high clocks.

I remember with my 5850's in xfire, the difference in FPS going from 900 to 1000MHz core (about +11%) was only around +7% at best. Not the greatest of scaling, IOW.

Hopefully the 6xxx series gets a bit better scaling from clock bumps, and has greater OC'ing potential than 1GHz.

Also, I'm hoping to see some impressive runs on these three benches from the other people here on OCN ... otherwise I may be forced to conclude that the much vaunted #1 nV card killers in multi-GPU ... are actually closer to a couple of #4 nV cards with a good OC on them

That's me laying down the gauntlet, 69xx-series crossfire ownerz
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Yeah ... and it's kinda odd because if you look at the FPS graph in AB there, which represents three runs (plus the initial loading screen) there is no place that the FPS has any serious dips, so ... I'm pretty sure the tool is giving an incorrect reading there. Either that, or the dip to 30fps is so short lived it doesn't even get graphed.

I can tell you for sure that once the test gets loaded (i.e. when the camera gets down to the beach) I never see less than 45fps throughout the run.
That should be very smooth then, and the 470s are admirable performers. We can debate about a few fps numbers all day but I think 470 sli, 580 sli, and 6970 cf are all going to give about the same performance and smooth game play at 1080p. Let's just talk real gaming performance and not talk about fps numbers.

6970s or unlocked 6950s should pull away as you really crank up the AA, or go up to 2560x1600 and up(multi-monitor). That's when your 1.2gb ram starts bottlenecking the 470s pretty badly compared to 6970s/580s, and as you go higher in resolution, the 6970 starts out shining those 580s eventually.
    
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I know I was just joking dude, 470 sli smokes 5770 cf obviously. Thank goodness I don't play Crysis and Metro all day or I might have to spend $600 on cards to get it to run smoothly
I was just letting you know what you were buying.
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That should be very smooth then, and the 470s are admirable performers. We can debate about a few fps numbers all day but I think 470 sli, 580 sli, and 6970 cf are all going to give about the same performance and smooth game play at 1080p. Let's just talk real gaming performance and not talk about fps numbers.

6970s or unlocked 6950s should pull away as you really crank up the AA, or go up to 2560x1600 and up(multi-monitor). That's when your 1.2gb ram starts bottlenecking the 470s pretty badly compared to 6970s/580s, and as you go higher in resolution, the 6970 starts out shining those 580s eventually.
Although you're right, the OP has a 1080p set up, and 470 SLI atm, he's looking to compare CF benchies at 1080p, so 1600p in this case is irrelevant. ( Besides according to Anandtech's review, the 570 trade blows with the 6970 at 1600p, and in fact out perform it ... 5 to the 570, 3 to the 6970 and 2 benchmarks tied. )

I'm also eager to see what real world users get, since the review sites are all over the place.

This is like my Unigine Benchmark thread, Nvidia guys are happily posting their results, while AMD guys are no where to be found.

http://www.overclock.net/benchmarkin...marks-any.html

That in itself speaks volumes.

Hey BrettJV, this is the only Dual 6950 submission we received @ 1080p, which you can compare to:
http://www.overclock.net/benchmarkin...l#post11692349

i think it's clear that if AMD guys can't beat the posted scores, they are simply not posting.

I've done thorough research on whether or not I should step up to a 570 for example, and according to this review, clock for clock it's only a 7% difference, and seeing how the 6970 and 570 pretty much trade blows, the only REAL upgrade gains we'll experience is when Kepler comes around, and or what ever AMD may have to offer down the road.
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Although you're right, the OP has a 1080p set up, and 470 SLI atm, he's looking to compare CF benchies at 1080p, so 1600p in this case is irrelevant. ( Besides according to Anandtech's review, the 570 trade blows with the 6970 at 1600p, and in fact out perform it ... 5 to the 570, 3 to the 6970 and 2 benchmarks tied. )

I'm also eager to see what real world users get, since the review sites are all over the place.

This is like my Unigine Benchmark thread, Nvidia guys are happily posting their results, while AMD guys are no where to be found.

http://www.overclock.net/benchmarkin...marks-any.html

That in itself speaks volumes.

Hey BrettJV, this is the only Dual 6950 submission we received @ 1080p, which you can compare to:
http://www.overclock.net/benchmarkin...l#post11692349

i think it's clear that if AMD guys can't beat the posted scores, they are simply not posting.

I've done thorough research on whether or not I should step up to a 570 for example, and according to this review, clock for clock it's only a 7% difference, and seeing how the 6970 and 570 pretty much trade blows, the only REAL upgrade gains we'll experience is when Kepler comes around, and or what ever AMD may have to offer down the road.
I know what your saying just pointing it out: 6970 CF will be a step up from 580 sli / 570 sli / 470 sli for people with multi-monitor set ups. If i was seriously thinking high end, I'd go with unlocked 6950s just because it has more ram than the 470, 570, and 580.

For a single 1080p, either of the set ups above will do just fine. I'd just go for bang/buck which would be one 6950 if you were just using one 1080p monitor.

I don't think the unigine/vantage benchmarks are really relevant. Those aren't real games that people play.
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Although you're right, the OP has a 1080p set up, and 470 SLI atm, he's looking to compare CF benchies at 1080p, so 1600p in this case is irrelevant. ( Besides according to Anandtech's review, the 570 trade blows with the 6970 at 1600p, and in fact out perform it ... 5 to the 570, 3 to the 6970 and 2 benchmarks tied. )

I'm also eager to see what real world users get, since the review sites are all over the place.

I've done thorough research on whether or not I should step up to a 570 for example, and according to this review, clock for clock it's only a 7% difference, and seeing how the 6970 and 570 pretty much trade blows, the only REAL upgrade gains we'll experience is when Kepler comes around, and or what ever AMD may have to offer down the road.
If I did have a large multi-monitor setup I would definitely consider the 69xx just cause of the extra vram. And actually I have a 1920x1200 setup, I just posted 1080p numbers in hopes of getting more participation. Which apparently isn't going to happen ... and is unfortunate, cause I also kinda feel like the reviews on the web aren't that consistent, plus don't take OC'ing into account in most cases.

Now, based on what people around here were saying, I thought that was at least some chance that my 470's would be left in the dust by the 580-SLI beating 6970's at least on one of these tests or another. Heck, the 5xxx series did really well in Crysis vs Fermi, so ...

I hate to make suppositions based on the *lack* of evidence, but I am beginning to wonder if you are correct, that people with these setups won't post because they're not 'winning'. Which would be a bummer, cause this isn't a competition, I just want to see how these new cards measure up at the top end of OC'ing to my 'older' tech.

And I'm always down with supporting AMD against the behemoths ... when they got it going on
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Just wait around. Not many people have 6950 CF yet I gather. These are newly released cards. Plus it's New Year's Eve!

    
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Just wait around. Not many people have 6950 CF yet I gather. These are newly released cards. Plus it's New Year's Eve!

This is true, there haven't been too many independent reviews out yet. I looked around on OCN and I could not find one Crysis 6950 CF benchmark run.
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