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this'll happen when the world ends
The Mayan predictions for 2012 were actually for the end of Steam, thus the end of the world.
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I think the greatest thing about Steam is that none of your friends or family can ever ask to borrow your game discs, and then fail to give them back, or give them back scratched, or you have to bug them for days, or whatever lameness ensues from this little transaction.

Never having to find a disc in order to play is also a major WIN.
    
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I really hate to have to do this to you.
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The day of the big Steam "UI Update" made the client use far more CPU and even GPU resources when running, even making some games run more poorly.
Steam takes up roughly 30mb of RAM, at least according to my task manager. Even when I'm just starting it up, my CPU usage "spikes" at 9 percent. I would hardly call steam a bloated resource hog, especially considering what it does.

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Many of the UI changes are just curvy-looking adjustments to the original to make fonts bigger, borders wider, etc. Some of the colors don't even make sense, and there are many visually-distracting decals and differing-backgrounds that don't mean anything.
So, because you don't necessarily agree with a few (and let's be honest here the changes from the original were insignificant enough for most to get used to it within a day or two) interface changes, Valve is somehow an incompetent company likely to ruin their success.

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Please no one idiotically respond to this saying "Well I think it's fine." There are PLENTY of people still pissed about it, and that alone is proof Valve screwed up that one.
You realize if Valve gave out free games to everybody, some people would still be upset right? Just because not every person in their massive community agrees with a certain change doesn't mean they screwed up.
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Basically, it's proof that Valve is not beyond making absurd updates to Steam that no one likes. Another REALLY bad update that actually affects your ability to play your games, and Steam might as well go down entirely.
Well clearly some people like it or your little protest group would've had a bit more influence, right?
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The day of the big Steam "UI Update" made the client use far more CPU and even GPU resources when running, even making some games run more poorly.
Stop right there.


If your computer lags because of Steam it's too damn old to be playing games in the first place. So this complaint of yours has no bearing on OCN, because even my ancient-as-hell rig doesn't even feel Steam.

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Many windows will cause ALL of Steam at once to hang
...what else would you expect? It's all one executable. You want them to spam your system with a different executable for every little feature?

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(as opposed to many browser hangs, which just affect the current tab)
Every time one tab in Firefox hangs it takes the rest of 'em with it. I don't know what kind of browser you're using but you need to send a link to Mozilla.

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Furthermore, the minimum size of the main window is almost all of my main computer's screen, preventing me from sizing it down to do something else, and it takes up ALL of my laptop's screen.
PEBKAC. I have no problem resizing it on my screen. Neither do any of my real life friends, and neither do any of the people on my buddy list. It's not Valve's fault if you can't resize a window.

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Basically, it's proof that Valve is not beyond making absurd updates to Steam that no one likes. Another REALLY bad update that actually affects your ability to play your games, and Steam might as well go down entirely.
The only thing that would happen is Valve would lose a lot of their whiney users while they patch the broken patch.


I doubt they'll miss you.


Valve has shown time and again they fix their screwups. When they released a bad MW2 patch that caused a bunch of unwarranted VAC bans they reversed those bans and gifted each affected player TWO copies of L4D2 for free, one to keep one to give away. They had this done within a couple of days, before the press had even widely distributed the news of the original screwup. Now you tell me what kind of company does something like that, then turns around and burns those same users with a bad update they don't fix. I'm waiting.
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Wait a tick. You double bought games because you were worried about Steam?

They said back in ~2004/5 that if Steam ever fails all your games are unlocked and belong to you forever.
No, I never bought the digital copies in the first place, I bought physical copies only.
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You know, since this topic is on a "What If" basis.....

What if Steam began to charge for services/membership with monthly fees? Something like xbox live? I'm sure thats a drastic "what if." But, since they do provide services other than a store front, have the ability to render your account and most of your games useless, change terms at will, etc....seems to me, current users (especially users who have an extremely large library of games,) would have a very tough decision to make.

Possible, probable?
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(You can play most of your games in common without steam anyway, a.k.a. most things that aren't by valve last time I checked.)
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I did not see anyone mention that steam has the ability to let you burn a physical copy if your little heart desires.

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Stop right there.


If your computer lags because of Steam it's too damn old to be playing games in the first place. So this complaint of yours has no bearing on OCN, because even my ancient-as-hell rig doesn't even feel Steam.
I'm not sure if you realize, but a great many features of Steam are useful even on an older computer. Many games I don't expect to play, but many 2D games, indie games, and older 3D games run just fine on my Eee PC. Even then, the community features are very useful, allowing me to chat with my common friends on a little laptop.

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...what else would you expect? It's all one executable. You want them to spam your system with a different executable for every little feature?

Every time one tab in Firefox hangs it takes the rest of 'em with it. I don't know what kind of browser you're using but you need to send a link to Mozilla.
The important thing is that I'd like for them to fix the constant hanging in one part of the program affecting everything. Because I use Google Chrome, I know this is possible. Technically just properly multithreading the program and avoiding thread lock should do this on its own (ie, not having all threads depend on access to one object all the time)

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PEBKAC. I have no problem resizing it on my screen. Neither do any of my real life friends, and neither do any of the people on my buddy list. It's not Valve's fault if you can't resize a window.
Thanks for the advice - next time everyone I know is fine with a certain issue, but someone else is having a problem with it that they're frustrated about, I will know that the best solution is to declare them a liar and have them shove off.

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Valve has shown time and again they fix their screwups. When they released a bad MW2 patch that caused a bunch of unwarranted VAC bans they reversed those bans and gifted each affected player TWO copies of L4D2 for free, one to keep one to give away. They had this done within a couple of days, before the press had even widely distributed the news of the original screwup. Now you tell me what kind of company does something like that, then turns around and burns those same users with a bad update they don't fix. I'm waiting.
Valve has put out plenty of bad updates. The number of TF2 additions, while dubious and unwanted to some, makes the game unplayable with its new memory requirements; this for some people (not me) who can't afford to be upgrading their memory every year. Like I said, there was an enormous backlash about the UI update, and some people couldn't even use Steam for a long time.

It's more of a gameplay issue, but you've seen how TF2 has changed? Even discounting the people who crash to desktop or similar, the number of additions to the game has made things simply unplayable for people who just remember the original classes having a simple 3 weapons each (see Yahtzee Croshaw's reaction to being asked if he still plays TF2). The original class updates were pretty cool, but now they're just throwing in community weapons with little regard for balance. You'll probably cry "but what other company adds so much for free?" There is a point when you have to realize even free **** is still...too much ****.

I am glad they fixed the issue with MW2, and that's +1 merit point to them. (I'm not sure how L4D2 is relevant, as they had been throwing copies at people for a long time before that in a desperate attempt to get people to play it) I'm glad none of Valve's updates have negatively affected you. The fact is, they have often been very detrimental to other people's experience. You cannot really change or debate that; it happens. Some people are okay with it, some wish Valve would just follow the old adage "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
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