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Originally Posted by rahulsuraj View Post
With ATi u face lots of drivers problem .

Go with Nvidia.

Specially this one :-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127513
What driver problems? Huh?

I for one have not experienced one problem all the back to the 10.3's

If anyone remembers at one point the NVIDIA drivers were killing cards. There is nothing wrong with the AMD drivers.

You guys have to remember that they need to write drivers for so many different hardware combinations, of course its not going to be perfect.
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I would go for the 6870 because of its improved DX11 features over the 470 as well as producing less heat and consuming less power. I have never had a problem with either side for driver issues (all of my problems with Nvidia were hardware issues, but that doesn't mean AMD cards aren't prone to the same thing). The 6870 also has amazing scaling in Crossfire, but it can only support two cards at once. As a few others here have said though, if you can spend the extra money go for the 570. It is an amazing performer and the chances of you needing to grab a second one to be able to play games at great frame rates in the near future is very slim.
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6870 has improved DX11 performance over the 5770 big time, still not a patch on the extra tesselation processors fermi has tho.
And yes, Nvidia did release one driver version with messed up fan profiles, which did kill a few cards, but they did pull that release very quickly for a fixed one, and I believe they helped out with replacing any dead cards. You won't even find that bad version on their old versions list for download.
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dude. a few weeks ago i bought 2 asus 6870's for my one rig. i did a cleam install the bloody lot i ran that for 5 days and i had more problems than anything ealse at all. the one would drop the wholetime tenseling was bad etc..... and even performance was not even brilliant so , i swopped them out for 470's and i have not looked back sinse then. drivers is brilliant (they work) and they are not as power hungery as the 6870's and and and and...........

and the 470's are a little cheaper as well so i had extra cash to spend on more hdd's.
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ATI drivers are not as bad as everyone makes them out to be. They are a bit more non user friendly and thus more people have problems with uninstalling/installing them. A big part of the problems are PEBKAC in the install process and not the drivers themselves. If you consider yourself fairly computer savvy and know what you are doing, don't let the bad stigma of ATI drivers play a part in your decision. That said, you can't go wrong with either brand/card really. They both have their pros and cons and both shine in different areas.

My opinion, if you are gaming with a single 1920x1200 or lower monitor, go with Nvidia. If higher rez and/or mult-monitor, go with ATI with more VRAM, such as the 69xx cards. Also, if enjoy pretty high AA settings at the higher resolutions, go with ATI, again due to more VRAM.
Not saying I'm allknowing but, the last few AMD drivers (Cat 10.12) were really bad. It crashed a lot in my rig when I used to start apps where the GPU was involved (even flash).

Also the AA statement is incorrect. Even though the 6900 cards have more VRAM, the GTX 400/500 cards have more geometry throughput. They simply cope better with AA. Also nVidia has more and better AA options including SSAA in DX10 and DX11 unlike AMD that only has SSAA in DX9. nVidia also has alpha to coverage built in with their CSAA mode.

OT:

As for HD 6870 vs GTX 470, it depends. If you want to use your card without tweaking it, you'll enjoy the 6870 more since it runs cooler and isn't that far behind the GTX 470. It's a great gaming card. If you're going to overclock your card, the GTX 470 will leave the 6870 behind it by a decent amount. Tesselation (DX11) is also better on the GTX 470.
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Also the AA statement is incorrect. Even though the 6900 cards have more VRAM, the GTX 400/500 cards have more geometry throughput. They simply cope better with AA.
eh?

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Also nVidia has more and better AA options including SSAA in DX10 and DX11 unlike AMD that only has SSAA in DX9.
Are they allowed to do that or is it through a third party software?

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nVidia also has alpha to coverage built in with their CSAA mode.
The 69xx cards seem to have the same thing called EQAA and is MLAA available on nvidia currently?
    
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Throw 8x+ AA at 2560x1600 or higher and compare them. I'm fairly sure the 6970 even pulls even or ahead of the 580 in actual games, for far less money. This is an isolated situation of course, only at higher res'. As for the quality and options of the AA between the brands, I am not knowledgeable enough to say, but I will say that I can't tell a bit of difference between the two brands myself.(I own several of each brand) I suppose this is a pointless discussion though, he is looking at a lower price point and I missed it while reading the OP, so we should drop it.

Between the two he listed, I'd go with the 470. I'd recommend the 570 over the 470 though, if you can afford it.
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Throw 8x+ AA at 2560x1600 or higher and compare them. I'm fairly sure the 6970 even pulls even or ahead of the 580 in actual games, for far less money. This is an isolated situation of course, only at higher res'. As for the quality and options of the AA between the brands, I am not knowledgeable enough to say, but I will say that I can't tell a bit of difference between the two brands myself.(I own several of each brand) I suppose this is a pointless discussion though, he is looking at a lower price point and I missed it while reading the OP, so we should drop it.

Between the two he listed, I'd go with the 470. I'd recommend the 570 over the 470 though, if you can afford it.
I'm not so sure about the emboldened. Performance decreases before you exceed the VRAM limit. The extra textures that come with the higher resolution have to be placed on the wireframe. This is what the ROPs do (calculating the coördinates). Though it's no use discussing this further like you said. Let's not stray too far from the subject.

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eh?



Are they allowed to do that or is it through a third party software?



The 69xx cards seem to have the same thing called EQAA and is MLAA available on nvidia currently?
Allowed to do what? It's just a different algorithm nVidia uses through the drivers. You can enable SSAA through the nVidia CP comparable with CCC.

You're right about EQAA being more or less a copy of CSAA though it doesn't have alpha-to-coverage. Edge-detect and how it samples is more or less the same, though 8xEQ is the max for Cayman while GF100/110 can sample till 32xCSAA with alpha. About MLAA however, technically nVidia can. The 7800GTX equivalent in the PS3 uses it

No seriously MLAA is far from perfect it even blurrs detail, I've tested this on my HD 5770. EQAA is far better and SSAA is still the beast (or a monster from a geometry computational perspective ).

You could test this out. Try SSAA in Mafia II or Fallout NV for example (Radeon Pro). Compare it to MLAA and EQAA.

EDIT:

Just noticed you have an HD4k card so you can't test EQAA.
Edited by TheBlademaster01 - 1/1/11 at 7:59am
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I had a 6870 overclocked to 975mhz/ 1125mhz and ended up upgrading to the GTX 570 and I can say that the GTX 570 at stock is much faster than the 6870.

If you can find a way to get a 570 I would do it, the 470 is a bit hot and loud for most.
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I had a 6870 overclocked to 975mhz/ 1125mhz and ended up upgrading to the GTX 570 and I can say that the GTX 570 at stock is much faster than the 6870.

If you can find a way to get a 570 I would do it, the 470 is a bit hot and loud for most.
$120+ price difference though. Need to compare it to the 6950 if choosing that price range.
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