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Where are the rest of your specs??? 10 to 1, I'm betting something else is stopping you playing the games you listed (Windows 7, multicore/hyperthreaded processor, unsupported chipset or whatever else).

I've been using a GTX 460 for months playing games using anything from DirectX 5 to 9 as well as OpenGL (Sauerbraten, UrT, you name it) and have yet to come across a game that won't run on my XP machine, except a couple that do a system check and only work with Win95/98, which isn't the cards fault in any way. In comparison, my two ATI cards before that (2900XT and 5770) couldn't run half the old games my current card can, that I tried (like Call of Cthulhu, old Thief/Hitman/Tomb Raider games, etc).

I was considering buying an older inferior card for the same compatibility reasons you stated and I have concluded with the fact that the Fermi cards (at least the GTX 460) is fine for older games. Go get a copy of XP, install it with your mentioned games and then see if it works instead of splashing out on useless dual-GPU cards which will break compatibility in hundreds of games that don't support 2 GPUs.

P.S. Nvidia are head and shoulders above ATI/AMD in OpenGL compatibility, (it's why I no longer buy ATI/AMD cards) I don't know where the hell you got the idea that it's the other way around from but it's BS.
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Or you can windows 7 professional (or better) and windows XP mode for compatibility?

idk why some still go back to XP - as a system builder and pc repair guy, i could never go back to winxp, its so old lol
    
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Or you can windows 7 professional (or better) and windows XP mode for compatibility?

idk why some still go back to XP - as a system builder and pc repair guy, i could never go back to winxp, its so old lol
*facepalm*

You can't run games in XP mode...

And there's nothing wrong with XP, unless you're one of these trend-hopping sheep that think they're inferior the minute M$ release another cash cow OS that's a downgrade in more ways than it is an upgrade.
    
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*facepalm*

You can't run games in XP mode...

And there's nothing wrong with XP, unless you're one of these trend-hopping sheep that think they're inferior the minute M$ release another cash cow OS that's a downgrade in more ways than it is an upgrade.
Of course there is nothing wrong with XP. Have a choice of upgrading, in my case, I made the switch on my rig about 2 years ago to vista and recently to windows 7. Everything runs smooth and I wouldn't switch back anytime soon

P.S. My laptop still runs windows xp professional though

To OP, I've heard about some issues with people running both ATI and Nvidia gpus at the same time, but, this was a while back. Based on what was written about w7, I think you'll be fine although one gpu is more than enough for NWN
    
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Wow, wow, wow! I never said ATI had better OpenGL support than NVidia, Am*. You can read all my posts from the start (which I recommend); what I said is both have messed some older games using OpenG, in both their newest lines: Fermi and HD; HD for ATI came before NVidia's Fermi, so...

BS or not, you can check the Bioware social forums, specially the NWN1 and NWN2 sections to see lots of threads and posts regarding issues with 400 and 500 cards. It has NOTHING to do with other components, for all of the contributors have vastly differing systems, with only the video cards being the same. The same applies to other games as far as I know, The Witcher and Mass Effect included.

Now, my new PC will have Windows 7 64 bits. I'm not going back to XP because I've been using 7 x86 for almost a year and very much like the way it handles things, the looks, the simplicity, and it is slowly turning into the standard; this is why I specifically asked for aid on Windows 7 and no other OS.

I don't know jack about SLI, that is why I'm asking if a dual 1 gig 285 is better than a GTX 295 or even a ATI HD5970, which is considered by most to be the most powerful card around. I couldn't care less about ATI, but if such is the best video card... Of course, all of this is considering I don't get my GTX 295, in which case I think I may be just happy with one.
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*facepalm*

You can't run games in XP mode...

And there's nothing wrong with XP, unless you're one of these trend-hopping sheep that think they're inferior the minute M$ release another cash cow OS that's a downgrade in more ways than it is an upgrade.
Well having no experience with it I didn't realize it wouldn't run games.. I just use virtualbox lol, my b

Also, no, nothing is inherintly wrong with XP. I feel its just antiquated and out of date now that we have Windows 7. As much as I hate MS and their practices and prices... They do make the most widely used consumer OS and the OS that has exclusivity to the one engine that majority of games rely on: DirectX.
Now XP vs 7, IMO if you think there is nothing wrong with XP, then you're clearly one of those people who don't embrace change and improvements, and I'm not going to argue with you.. each to their own pickings. I happen to like the newer features and (since I do reinstall/build computers regularly) I like that Win7 has the latest *or at least newer* drivers rolled into it.

@Jedijax I would vote SLI GTX 285 vs GTX295 because the GTX295 is a dual GPU card. Quad SLI does not scale nearly as well as 2-way SLi. That being said, I have GTX SLI and at 1920x1200 there STILL isn't a game on the market I can't play at 100FPS with 4-8xAA and 16xAF, maximum detail so its not like you're gonna lose on power. These cards are coming to be out of date though as I'm noticing they are slowly getting less and less powerful. Slowly degrading...slowly

as far as what GPU to get, IMO build your PC and whatever budget u got left over AFTER everything but the GPU, put into the GPU. thats going to make the biggest gaming difference over everything imo. SLI vs CFX is a pointless battle - they both work and they're both awesome. They both sell well because they both perform well for the cost. If you ask me, I prefer the NVIDIA cards because I've had good luck with them. Some say the exact opposite. IMO, take your pick and get a good deal on it.
    
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I actually have the same idea about Nvidia/ATI, and out of personal experience as well. I didn't know, however, a SLI dual GTX 285 would be better than a single GTX 295! Here I am going on and on about getting a 295 over a 285 and I hadn't noticed you actually have dual 285 in SLI! 100 fps on all games? Wow! Me wants that! It sounds waaay better than the ATI/Nvidia hybrid I was trying to get working!
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yeah.. the 285's are a dated card though and are hard to find. I would suggest 480 at the same price, and would be a bit faster.

But I still get awesome performance from my cards. Black ops ran at 95-120 FPS, BF:BC2 is 110-140FPS, SC2 agin about 70-150 FPS
All @ 1920x1200, x16AF, 2-4xAA, max details

the 295 is two smaller GPUs on one card, its also much more expensive, and doesn't perform as well IMO due to extra SLi strides, it just didn't seem a good option.. IMO right now the best bet is SLi 480s or 570/580's if you wanna pay the premium on latest gen performance (I did and its worth while)
    
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Wow, wow, wow! I never said ATI had better OpenGL support than NVidia, Am*. You can read all my posts from the start (which I recommend); what I said is both have messed some older games using OpenG, in both their newest lines: Fermi and HD; HD for ATI came before NVidia's Fermi, so...

BS or not, you can check the Bioware social forums, specially the NWN1 and NWN2 sections to see lots of threads and posts regarding issues with 400 and 500 cards. It has NOTHING to do with other components, for all of the contributors have vastly differing systems, with only the video cards being the same. The same applies to other games as far as I know, The Witcher and Mass Effect included.

Now, my new PC will have Windows 7 64 bits. I'm not going back to XP because I've been using 7 x86 for almost a year and very much like the way it handles things, the looks, the simplicity, and it is slowly turning into the standard; this is why I specifically asked for aid on Windows 7 and no other OS.

I don't know jack about SLI, that is why I'm asking if a dual 1 gig 285 is better than a GTX 295 or even a ATI HD5970, which is considered by most to be the most powerful card around. I couldn't care less about ATI, but if such is the best video card... Of course, all of this is considering I don't get my GTX 295, in which case I think I may be just happy with one.
Well if you would rather waste your time buying expensive GPUs for games that can be maxed out on an ancient G92 equivalent card than buying an extra cheap HDD and installing a copy of XP with your game, then suit yourself.

And I don't understand why you're mentioning looks or useability: who gives a crap about what the OS looks like if you're using your PC to play games??? Fact is, XP will run a lot more games than Windows 7. I was one of those people complaining about a lot of older games not running (I had a Phenom II X4 965 rig with Windows 7 on it). Dropping from 7 to XP solved most compatibility issues, the rest wouldn't run until I came down to a single core processor. While I'm not telling you to downgrade to a single core PC I'm saying it's worth trying to run your game on a copy of XP first, which will most likely fix your problem and come out being a lot cheaper than buying inferior discontinued GPUs.
    
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Am* I used XP for years and never really liked it. From the very beginning I was searching for options. Now, who gives a crap about how an OS looks AND works? Someone who doesn't only use it for games, but everything else as well, work, multimedia, etc. I like my PC to be at the TOP on EVERYTHING, not just games, I watch movies, use 2d and 3d design apps, web-surf a lot, etc.

This thread wasn't intended to discuss the pros and cons of having any given OS. I made my homework, I investigated for weeks before I went and made the jump to Windows 7 from XP about a year ago. Neither is this meant to argue the merits of having an Intel CPU over a Phenom, or Windows over Macintosh, or, etc etc etc. Whatever your personal preferences are, I'm asking for a SOLUTION to a problem: Either having a system running two cards of different line and manufacturer (ATI/Nvidia), or, as I've been discussing lately, the advantages of having dual SLI GTX 285 over a single or Dual SLI GTX 295.

Yet again, I urge you to READ THE WHOLE thread. If I am going for an "inferior, discontinued GPU" (Maybe you should take a look at the video card ranking available on this very website to see how inferior the mentioned cards are...) it is because the new GPU's mess OpenGL games, and IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OS!!
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