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A few days ago I loaded a fresh copy of Fedora 14 on a spare hard drive as I want to get accustom to a Red Hat-based distro for a possible job in the near future.

However, upon installation I'm noticing that everything is very sluggish. Booting from Grub to login-screen takes a good 45 seconds, from login screen to the desktop (with the default GNOME settings - I have yet to touch anything desktop related) another 45 seconds, and chrome takes about 15 second to open.

This is with my sig rig, minus the RAID 0 as I'm on a single dedicated drive. At first I thought it would be the age of the drive, but then again this is the same drive I had run Mint, Ubuntu and openSUSE on (although briefly on openSUSE) before without any such issues.

I can't imagine Fedora is that resource intensive in the slightest, any suggestions?
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Greetz
I haven't used any RedHat systems in over a decade but I do know it should not be that slow as well as some starter troubleshooting techniques. While "dmesg" will give you any error messages there may be, I like to see it in realtime so I would disable any splash screens (in grub menu) at least temporarily if not permanently so you can see what is taking so long. If you boot directly to graphic login you should check "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" as well.
Good luck since something must be wrong.
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Well, I have a 13KDE build that I've tried on both a laptop and my netbook and on both it was sluggish as that's about as nice as I can say performance was. I thought I was the only one with this and I thought they would have fixed it by now but since your using 14 I guess not.

If you can do what enorbet says he'll guide you through some general cross distro ideas but I'll look for one of the Fedora guys on here for you.

By the way which ISO did you grab to do the install from?
     
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Greetz
If you build a distro and hope for widespread adoption you have to nend some to convenience and try to support basically any and all hardware so people don't give up and complain "Such and such a distro SUX cuz my XYZ doesn't work in it!" . So you make a default kernel that loads essentially everything and it becomes 5 to 7MB huge and slow. In addition some hardware will work on multiple driver modules so autoload can take a long time settling the clusterfu*k.

At the very least you can solve such issues by blacklisting conflicting modules but you need to discover which ones take so long. To really do the job right you need to rebuild the kernel and turn off all the stuff you don't need. I rebuilt my 5.2MB kernel the first day I installed my distro and shaved it down to 3.1MB with no initrd. While I was at it I turned on things that are kept moderate also to maximize compatibility with crap hardware and minimize complaints from those unfortunate owners, and this bad boy is FAST and efficient.

If you'd like to see how efficient just look in the "Arch Memory Leak" thread and expand the screenie to full size and peruse that conky. Then remember this box is a single core cpu with only 2G ram. I think you will be impressed but more importantly encouraged to learn how to maximize software performance, What's the use of OCing your hardware if your software doesn't match up? It is no harder than learning to overclock and a lot more guaranteed and logical.
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I haven't used any RedHat systems in over a decade but I do know it should not be that slow as well as some starter troubleshooting techniques. While "dmesg" will give you any error messages there may be, I like to see it in realtime so I would disable any splash screens (in grub menu) at least temporarily if not permanently so you can see what is taking so long. If you boot directly to graphic login you should check "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" as well.
Good luck since something must be wrong.
Parsing through that only showed one error; my G500 mouse having to go to absolute axis because the relative one failed to load. Guessing that's not the issue here.

I've also noticed that since I loaded the nvidia-direct driver for my GTX 260, panel applets are crashing at login (for example, the Trash and Clock applets crash and will immediately crash again upon trying to reload them).

I'm wondering if this could be the result of a bad .ISO? I think I'm going to re-burn it at the slowest burning speed and then reinstall, as I haven't really done anything with this install yet and nothing of value would be lost.


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By the way which ISO did you grab to do the install from?
The default GNOME 64-bit .ISO from the main site.
    
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I think you are correct that you are a victim of corruption. I would not assume it is a bad burn only to waste another blank if the download itself was corrupted. Run whatever cheksum is available whether md5 or SHA1 on the iso first. Once you know it's good then burn it and it's a good idea to add "verify burn" to the process.

If you get errors on a downloaded movie all you may get is a few artifacts or skips. On an OpSys you get migraines.
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Hmm...never md5 checksummed but I've verified burns with Imagburn. I'd say that Fedora's problem might be like enorbet laid out but then why does openSUSE not suffer the same? Is it possible for a distro to load bloated and slow and then automatically on the next start turn off anything unnecessary that was on before? That's how openSUSE was and I expected that out of Fedora but no matter how many reboots it stayed slow.

Gnome and me don't get along (I've never had it work outside of UNR). Strangely you're panel crashes sound like what happened to me in Ubuntu with Gnome. And the nvau in fedora was another sore spot for me. It worked whenever it wanted.

If you're going to burn another disc I'd recommend going for one of the "bloated" DVDs that should have a lot of software to help with things if needed.
     
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greetz

md5 checksum

Code:
 "md5sum Archivname.tar.gz" or "md5sum Archivname.iso"
The results are compared against posted original md5 code. The need to match.
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I think you are correct that you are a victim of corruption. I would not assume it is a bad burn only to waste another blank if the download itself was corrupted. Run whatever cheksum is available whether md5 or SHA1 on the iso first. Once you know it's good then burn it and it's a good idea to add "verify burn" to the process.

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Re-downloaded the KDE spin, slow burn with verify written data and the initial install seems to be working faster. Still not as fast as I would expect with 12 threads, but then again the drive is benchmarking about 10% below normal read/write speeds so I'll chalk it up to a drive bottleneck now.

Also not getting the applet crashes anymore. Yay.


Only one remaining issue though - I can't access my SAMBA shares on my home server (running Debian). Moreover, Fedora doesn't even see the server on the network, and when I try to manually ping the address, it's returning HOST UNREACHABLE.

Tried adding static routes, but that's resulting in the same. I also cannot even access the public content from my dyndns account - also returning HOST UNREACHABLE. I can, however, access everything normally from both Windows 7 and a Ubuntu install.
    
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Re-downloaded the KDE spin, slow burn with verify written data and the initial install seems to be working faster. Still not as fast as I would expect with 12 threads, but then again the drive is benchmarking about 10% below normal read/write speeds so I'll chalk it up to a drive bottleneck now.

Also not getting the applet crashes anymore. Yay.


Only one remaining issue though - I can't access my SAMBA shares on my home server (running Debian). Moreover, Fedora doesn't even see the server on the network, and when I try to manually ping the address, it's returning HOST UNREACHABLE.

Tried adding static routes, but that's resulting in the same. I also cannot even access the public content from my dyndns account - also returning HOST UNREACHABLE. I can, however, access everything normally from both Windows 7 and a Ubuntu install.
Glad to hear that you're not getting anymore applet or panel crashes.

However, unless your drive is on it's last breath or full to the brim there is no reason for it to be affecting your performance that noticeably. Case in point: I have Kubuntu running from an 4 year old IDE drive that probably tops out at 5400rpm and the only time I notice a speed issue is when moving more than a few GBs of data. Regardless of the distro I have noticed HDDs do not seem to bother Linux as much as I noticed they can impact windows (and even then it's not too much).

I can't figure out if it was errors or something but I'm still saying that you're not the only one who noticed this and part of me thinks that like enorbet said it's something bad with the OS. But unlike him I'm going out on a limb and saying that it's bad by creation at this point. I complained about the speed thing back with 13 and it seems they didn't fix it in 14.

Now, do you have the SAMBA package in Fedora(forgive me if I'm asking the blatantly obvious I've never used the program)? I can't recall if it came by default in Fedora.

General Question: Are there any terminal commands that he could use to spit out errors or conflicts?
     
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