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the old card, GeForce 4, wouldn't even let my "screensaver" run
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post #22 of 28
I really don't think that your video app is using the GPU for acceleration.
1. You have to have the latest version of VLC
2. Playing MPEG-4 or MPEG-2 or WMV/VC-1 files
3. Pentium 4 is very weak, it definitely won't be able to CPU-accelerate videos that well at all.

I run a very similar HTPC (Pentium 4 3Ghz, 8400GS 256MB overclocked, 2GB DDR-400) and I make sure to use programs that WILL use GPU acceleration. i.e. Combined Community Codec Pack + MPC-HC + CoreAVC or nVidia PureVideo. With GPU acceleration it plays 1920x1080 video with no hiccups, even with a shader operation on the video image (sharpen complex), in Media Player Classic. Note that I have the original G86 card and not the new G98 one with half the shaders, and run 625/1425/850 up from the default 450/900/800.

Then again redhat may also be right. If it is using CPU acceleration AND overheating, then you would have less CPU power to use for decoding the video (much less anything else) because it is thermal throttling.

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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud View Post
Based off that, the issue is with your graphics card. The 8400GS is an absolute joke of a GPU. Your old GeForce 4 is honestly just as fast.
I don't consider the 8400GS a joke at all. In fact it is a perfectly adequate card for what it can do and is actually very overclockable. I have mine at a 39% core, 59% shader and 6% memory overclock from stock and it plays 1080p HD video, with GPU-based image sharpening, with no issues. It is the only card I've seen that can play absolutely ANY type of HD you throw at it (MPEG-2, MPEG-4 and VC-1) with absolutely no issues, extra codecs, etc. and it is older than a lot of newer cards which still do have those problems. The 8400GS is much newer and faster than the GeForce 4, remember the 8000 series architecture is new and more efficient, the CMOS process is much smaller, and the GeForce 4 doesn't even have ANY vertex shaders at all. Not to mention absolutely no hardware-accelerated video except for MPEG-2.
Edited by xd_1771 - 1/26/11 at 11:26pm
post #23 of 28
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I have the latest VLC player but barely use it... I mostly use WMP unless it doesn't support the codec being played. Both players cause this issue. I do not have the money for a new card and am pissed that this one is giving me all these problems when I was told that it should work fine in this system... I even took the tower in to the place I bought the card to make sure it would fit and be compatible before I bought it... it was all I could afford at the time.

So pretty much what you all are saying is I have a POS card (I knew that already) and there is nothing I can do to fix it... ***
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post #24 of 28
Okay. The 8400GS is FAR from a POS card.

BUT, I think I realize what your problem is.
Your motherboard does not have any PCI-E slots. The only explanation for this is that your 8400GS is a PCI model, which is much, much slower due to the PCI bus being a huge bottleneck. Any video data would have to go from the hard drive through to the CPU through two motherboard chips (SB and NB), back again through those motherboard chips, and then through a slow 33Mhz PCI bus to the card. This is your problem.
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Okay. The 8400GS is FAR from a POS card.

BUT, I think I realize what your problem is.
Your motherboard does not have any PCI-E slots. The only explanation for this is that your 8400GS is a PCI model, which is much, much slower due to the PCI bus being a huge bottleneck. Any video data would have to go from the hard drive through to the CPU through two motherboard chips (SB and NB), back again through those motherboard chips, and then through a slow 33Mhz PCI bus to the card. This is your problem.
This wasn't already known? That's why I stated that his old GeForce 4 was likely just as fast or faster, lol.
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post #26 of 28
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so... my card + PCI slot = POS

thank you all for taking the time to read and respond to this post... I really do appreciate it...

go ahead and close this thread, lock it, delete it, whatever......
Edited by Dont_Panic_42 - 1/26/11 at 11:33pm
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so... my card + PCI slot = POS
Honestly, your card period isn't that great at all. But if it were a proper PCIe slot card, it would have been BETTER. With the GeForce 8 series, I wouldn't take anything less than an 8600GT honestly.
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post #28 of 28
Don't think the OP realized that his 8400GS was PCI, so I decided to point it out. Being PCI, that's exactly why it isn't any more powerful than an MX440. The PCI bottleneck is too much, I think it's because of that that even standard def videos choke.
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