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Their KDE looks just like Win 7. After Mint, I am going to try the E-17 and see how it compares to Mint for myself.
Greetz
Now that I am running KDE v.4.5.4 I am quite pleased with KDE again and my patience has been rewarded. The fact that KDE3-Compat libraries (a package in Slackware) allows the things I miss most about v3 to run in v4 tops it off. It's all good now.

However I do love to run a lot of different WM/DEs and even steal icons and applets to transpose and see if they will run and thankfully most do with little or no tweaking. Lately I have become fascinated again with Enlightenment because of E17 development, It's pretty lightweight, beautiful and interesting to work in.

I had it easy with Slackware v13.1 since the "easy_e17" from Omicron worked perfectly the first time after installing "lua" and "tolua" from Slackuilds.org, the only two outside dependencies.

It got a little hairier with the latest Slackware-Current (beta/development release) and failed for a couple tries for one day. There are three options that can be passed to the script like this

Code:
sh ./easy_e17.sh -i --packagelist-base
or
sh ./easy_e17.sh -i --packagelist-half
or
sh ./easy_e17.sh -i --packagelist-full
Base is plenty since you can add a lot of stuff after anyway but today "half" installed just fine. Yay! Something stops "full" but that's OK because there is a whole lot of stuff in "full" that I don't need nor want. There's even stuff in "half" I will possibly prune out... certainly never use.

Anyway since you want to try E17 I thought I would mention the easy install script since it has been tested and works with many distros partly because it installs to "/opt" and is very self-contained even though it will run Gnome, Xfce, and KDE apps just fine. There are essentially no shared dependencies so it is very safe. Enjoy and visit http://e17-stuff.org/?xcontentmode=7000 for add-on themes, icons, applets, art etc. There are others but that's a good place to start.

You can also try E17 as the default DE on a few LiveCDs like eLive by just burning the iso and booting.
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Linux gets viruses too you know.

The point is, 1:10000 vs 1:1000000 isn't really any different.

The only time I ever have issues installing software is if I'm grabbing Ubuntu stuff off of AUR, since the packages need their own version of pretty much everything.

I think of Ubuntu more as a Linux-based distro rather than an actual Linux distro. Canonical just prefers to go its own way. It will modify packages, and as mushroomboy alluded to, fix bugs, but rarely will they ever contribute anything back.

Linux distros for the most part are just collections of preconfigured community packages. IE, Arch uses Gnome, so does Debian. Both distros will for the most part leave it to the actual Gnome developers to manage their software. Ubuntu is developing Unity, which is designed specifically for Ubuntu and nothing else (even though you can technically get it for other distros, its a real pain)

What it all boils down to is that developers are going to start having to release builds that work in normal Linux distros, and ones that specifically work with Ubuntu, and at that point we really have to draw the line.
Don't all distros mess with packages to get them to "work" to their standards? Isn't that why you can't/shouldn't install a .deb in Fedora or SUSE let alone an older .deb package in buntu? I mean the difference in performance from installing Chromium myself into Kubuntu10.04 without a repo to just fetching it premade in 10.10 is not huge but it's definitely there (but again I noticed this in all distros). Also, you make it sound like Canonical only runs Ubuntu and that as soon as they finish Unity they will get rid of the other DE based versions they make.

And while you guys take it as blasphemous I can't help but remind myself that the purpose of technology is to make things "easier". And with many distros that included package managers and dependency resolution I feel that they are a step in the right direction. As I've stated before, an install of most distros has been easier for me than an install of windows so long as there aren't hardware problems.
     
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Don't all distros mess with packages to get them to "work" to their standards? Isn't that why you can't/shouldn't install a .deb in Fedora or SUSE let alone an older .deb package in buntu? I mean the difference in performance from installing Chromium myself into Kubuntu10.04 without a repo to just fetching it premade in 10.10 is not huge but it's definitely there (but again I noticed this in all distros). Also, you make it sound like Canonical only runs Ubuntu and that as soon as they finish Unity they will get rid of the other DE based versions they make.
Not exactly since Slackware's package manager only automates the "/configure, make, make install" process so there is essentially no difference from compiling from source other than the source version has been pre-selected to match up with version requirements of that system version. So whether a simple tgz or txz package or a SlackBuild the only "messing" is matching version requirements.

Furthermore applications like SlackPack can strip out source from any deb or rpm and create a Slack Package. If there is a version mismatch or dependency lack, that app may either fail to install or will install but not run. The system remains sacred and intact. Solve the dependency or version situation and then it will run.

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And while you guys take it as blasphemous I can't help but remind myself that the purpose of technology is to make things "easier". And with many distros that included package managers and dependency resolution I feel that they are a step in the right direction. As I've stated before, an install of most distros has been easier for me than an install of windows so long as there aren't hardware problems.
I don't consider it blasphemous at all. Granted technology seeks to make things easier but since technology doesn't just blink into existence from waving rubber chickens someone had to make it and configure it. We all make choices about what we control and what we merely accept. I get on airplanes and trust that the mechanics have kept up with maintenance, the tank is full and that the pilot is qualified. However if I am going to jump out of that plane I assure you I am packing my own 'chute!

I just think it is a choice of how important computing is to you and whether you wish to be a user or an admin. Ubuntu is more for users and Slackware is for admins.
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^ Exactly.

It's not blasphemous, it's not really much of anything other than a choice of how involved you want to get. I do think that people who complain like nathris about Ubuntu should do some actual work. Maybe they should start getting more involved, creating and maintaining multiple packages. Fix the patches, make others benefit... The thing is, that's a hell of a lot of work. And even so, the people who maintain the original packages aren't concerned with these patches. Why? Because they are concerned with getting the original source cleaned up while adding more. It is also what makes Linux amazing, the ability for so many people to create their own interpretation of the code. Just because you don't like Ubuntu doesn't mean you should hate it, I think Ubuntu in itself is perfectly fine. I just don't like the scrubs that come out of it thinking they know what is best. Some of these distro's have been doing this for almost 20 years and it makes me laugh every time when somebody comes in thinking they know stuff. If it were that simple, and that easy, it would have been done by now. These maintainers didn't just all of a sudden go "this is how it's done". These are extensive projects, and have been maintained for almost as long as some of you have been alive.

And for a final point, a lot of this is done on people's spare time. Not everyone who does this is in it for a living, and that makes it even more difficult. If you don't want to get involved and help then don't complain, your just leeching off the work anyways.
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