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No, it is a horrible comparison. And you're making it worse.

For one, you can do a hella lot more than "play" on an iPhone. And for 99% of the smartphone owning world, be it iPhone, Android, or whatever, we're all doing pretty much the same stuff with those phones anyway: phone (obviously), communications & socializing, web surfing, apps, light gaming, etc. You make it sound like every Android phone is being used to do uber high-tech things...it's still a phone to practically everyone, people.

And second, you can do pretty much anything you want with an iPhone too. If it matters that much to you, it's trivial to jailbreak it and then it's wide open. It's fine if you have a philosophical stance that this stance should be unnecessary, that Apple is a bunch of evil control freaks and all phones should be open from the start...okay, great, I get why Android is more to your tastes. But ridiculous allusions that only Android can do all that stuff are false.

I should have posted this the first time, but thought better of it: Console vs. PC is not a correct analogy, Mac vs. PC is. Mac OS killed DOS and Windows in the early days, it was just silly to compare the two products. But PCs were open and customizable, and consequently released in many makes and models by many manufacturers; which generated a much larger market share over time than Macs, which remained (except for a very short period) an Apple-only venture. We will see (and are already seeing) the exact same script play out in smartphones: iPhone literally invented this product space, but is remaining closed and an Apple-only affair; while Android is playing catchup in features, but its open nature and wide array of products is already causing it to overtake iOS in sheer deployment volume.


Nowadays, you can connect to the internet with many consoles, you can browse. So, in thory, you can do pretty same things, but in practice it matters what is projected for.

On a console, you just enter the DVD or usb stick with the game and select Play. On a PC, you have to type your username and password, you have to enter the game trough the desktop icon, then browse to the menu where you hit play. And I didn't mentioned the installation time which most people get caught in, and then they will say: "Why we need more clicks to do the same thing? Why the process can't be the same as on Consoles? This PC's are very bad, they lack a good user interface"

It's the same thing that iPhone user complain: "Why we need 3 clicks when we actually can do it from only 1 ? So, on consoles you can do more things, but you have the game at one click away. On PC, everything is at more clicks away, but it is well balanced among more type of tasks.

On iPhone, you have everything at one click away, but they assume you do the only thing they told you. "Why you need that when you have games one click away?"
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No, it is a horrible comparison. And you're making it worse.

For one, you can do a hella lot more than "play" on an iPhone. And for 99% of the smartphone owning world, be it iPhone, Android, or whatever, we're all doing pretty much the same stuff with those phones anyway: phone (obviously), communications & socializing, web surfing, apps, light gaming, etc. You make it sound like every Android phone is being used to do uber high-tech things...it's still a phone to practically everyone, people.

And second, you can do pretty much anything you want with an iPhone too. If it matters that much to you, it's trivial to jailbreak it and then it's wide open. It's fine if you have a philosophical stance that this stance should be unnecessary, that Apple is a bunch of evil control freaks and all phones should be open from the start...okay, great, I get why Android is more to your tastes. But ridiculous allusions that only Android can do all that stuff are false.

I should have posted this the first time, but thought better of it: Console vs. PC is not a correct analogy, Mac vs. PC is. Mac OS killed DOS and Windows in the early days, it was just silly to compare the two products. But PCs were open and customizable, and consequently released in many makes and models by many manufacturers; which generated a much larger market share over time than Macs, which remained (except for a very short period) an Apple-only venture. We will see (and are already seeing) the exact same script play out in smartphones: iPhone literally invented this product space, but is remaining closed and an Apple-only affair; while Android is playing catchup in features, but its open nature and wide array of products is already causing it to overtake iOS in sheer deployment volume.
iOS is no where near android in terms of customization. You can do everything on an unrooted android that you could with a jailbroken iPhone. There is no way that the iPhone comes any where near android in terms of customization. You can't flash ROM's, recoveries or kernels on iPhone which is one of the best parts about rooted androids.

And the common belief about android playing catch up with iOS is untrue, Android has had multitasking and folders since day 1, apple just put folders into iOS within the last few months and has yet to put in multitasking (their current implementation is a cheat around it, it just freezes the program for later use. The program does not run in the background at all). Apple is also playing catch up in the widgets department, they're just starting to realize that they might actually be useful. If you don't believe me then take a look at your calendar icon, notice how it shows the current date? That was released in iOS 4. Apple did implement some things first though (such as copy/paste).

I've owned both a 32GB iPhone 3GS and my HTC desire and I must say that my HTC is waaaay better than the iPhone. I don't have to work around apples limitations anymore.

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On a console, you just enter the DVD or usb stick with the game and select Play.
...after you navigate through the menu system to even find Play, you mean. Even my X360, after the last system update, turned off the auto-play I had set...

Oh, and PCs can do this too. Put the disc in, Autoplay pops up a dialog and you just hit Play. Unless you turn off that behavior of course, but don't blame a PC for not doing this if you're the one who turned it off.

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On a PC, you have to type your username and password,
You don't have to. I don't have a password on my generic account, only on my Admin level accounts.

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you have to enter the game trough the desktop icon, then browse to the menu where you hit play.
If you have a desktop icon, why are you going to the Start menu again? Or are you talking about the in-game menu...which all console games have too...?

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And I didn't mentioned the installation time which most people get caught in,
PS3 games almost all require installs, and it's optional for X360 games.

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and then they will say: "Why we need more clicks to do the same thing? Why the process can't be the same as on Consoles? This PC's are very bad, they lack a good user interface"
Yeah...that's exactly what PC gamers say, "this interface sucks, why can't this be more like a console?!?" Um, I dare you to go down to the PC Gaming forum and ask what PC gamers actually think of console games. The fact that you actually think this is true shows how not tuned-in to that audience you are...

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On iPhone, you have everything at one click away, but they assume you do the only thing they told you. "Why you need that when you have games one click away?"
Not everything is one click away on an iPhone. "Number of clicks" is not the defining metric for "ease of use", I would argue. There is a lot of subjective stuff that goes into that...which is why you find most unbiased comparisons (i.e. not coming from an Android or Apple fan site) frequently giving Android phones a higher mark on individual functions, but overall giving the iPhone a higher mark because of how everything ties together. It's a classic case of the whole being more than the sum of its parts.

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iOS is no where near android in terms of customization. You can do everything on an unrooted android that you could with a jailbroken iPhone. There is no way that the iPhone comes any where near android in terms of customization. You can't flash ROM's, recoveries or kernels on iPhone which is one of the best parts about rooted androids.
Reread what I said...I openly stated that you have to jailbreak to do a lot of the stuff that Android allows. Does that suck? Sort of...it more than a fraction of a percent of the world cared, then yes, it would suck. But Do you honestly...HONESTLY...believe that more than a tiny population of uber-geeks is actually flashing custom ROMs onto their phone? If you do...well, I can't talk to you then because you're not grounded in reality. (Hint: Just because we're all geeks here at OCN does not mean that most Android users are.)

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And the common belief about android playing catch up with iOS is untrue, Android has had multitasking and folders since day 1, apple just put folders into iOS within the last few months and has yet to put in multitasking (their current implementation is a cheat around it, it just freezes the program for later use. The program does not run in the background at all).
*sigh* Tired rhetoric. Cherry picking specific things that Android does better is a dead end argument, because we know that already. No one debates it. But overall, there is higher customer satisfaction among iPhone users than Android users because the overall product is better. (Before someone asks me for proof, it was in an article I saw months ago...maybe here, maybe somewhere else, but I don't have it. Google it yourself if you care that much, or if you just have to prove me wrong.)

As for multitasking...blech, shut up about it. It is functionally equivalent to multitasking for anything any iPhone user is actually going to do. No, I cannot run a bittorrent client in the background while I'm surfing the web...sooooooooooooooooooooo do not care. If that's a dealbreaker for you, then you've made the right choice with Android. Live long and prosper, my friend.

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Apple is also playing catch up in the widgets department, they're just starting to realize that they might actually be useful.
Agree, this is something I strongly believe Apple could steal from Android.

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I've owned both a 32GB iPhone 3GS and my HTC desire and I must say that my HTC is waaaay better than the iPhone. I don't have to work around apples limitations anymore.
I've played with Android, and used BlackBerry extensively. Nothing I've touched compares with my iPhone. My tech staff are split...some prefer iPhone, others prefer Android. Yet somehow we aren't constantly arguing about whose is better...I wonder why that can't ever seem to carry over to OCN...
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Not everything is one click away on an iPhone. "Number of clicks" is not the defining metric for "ease of use", I would argue. There is a lot of subjective stuff that goes into that...which is why you find most unbiased comparisons (i.e. not coming from an Android or Apple fan site) frequently giving Android phones a higher mark on individual functions, but overall giving the iPhone a higher mark because of how everything ties together. It's a classic case of the whole being more than the sum of its parts.
Do you know that they want to remove the home buttom from the next version of ipad ?
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Do you know that they want to remove the home buttom from the next version of ipad ?
That's all you got out of Vulcan's post?? Why does it matter if they want to remove the home button??
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Do you know that they want to remove the home buttom from the next version of ipad ?
Yes, replacing it with new multi-touch gestures that can recognize more than two fingers. They want to do this on the iPhone too, from what I've read. On the iPhone, I'm not sure how I feel about that...it means you need to use two hands, one to hold the phone and the other to swipe. That will annoy me...currently I use one-hand all the time, if I can (e.g. if I don't have to type, or am not playing a game, etc.) So I'll have to see what they ultimately come up with before I say I'm okay with it.

Now on the iPad, I think that's less of a problem...it's big enough that you're going to be holding it with two hands frequently anyway, so maybe needing two hands to turn it on won't be that big of a deal. But again, I don't have one myself (waiting to see what iPad 2 looks like), so that's just speculation.
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Yes, replacing it with new multi-touch gestures that can recognize more than two fingers. They want to do this on the iPhone too, from what I've read. On the iPhone, I'm not sure how I feel about that...it means you need to use two hands, one to hold the phone and the other to swipe. That will annoy me...currently I use one-hand all the time, if I can (e.g. if I don't have to type, or am not playing a game, etc.) So I'll have to see what they ultimately come up with before I say I'm okay with it.

Now on the iPad, I think that's less of a problem...it's big enough that you're going to be holding it with two hands frequently anyway, so maybe needing two hands to turn it on won't be that big of a deal. But again, I don't have one myself (waiting to see what iPad 2 looks like), so that's just speculation.

What about a fingerprint unlock ? It will be no surprise if apple do this.
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What about a fingerprint unlock ? It will be no surprise if apple do this.
Biometrics have been available for a long time, even my ancient iPaq PDA had fingerprint scan capability. The problem is that it just doesn't work consistently, so people don't use it. I would be surprised if Apple does this.

Plus, there is a fundamental difference between reading a fingerprint and recognizing movement of a touch point (a gesture). I don't think multi-touch gesture includes the extra stuff needed to read a fingerprint.
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Yea if I have to "break in" a battery on anything I buy, I'm not going to buy it. That's stupid. How many hours do you get? Saying it's over clocked yet under volted...and then gets better battery life makes no sense at all and is probably straight up false.
Do you know how long "breaking in batteries" has been going on. My grandfather taught me about that, in the 80's. And I thought I was noobed out about allot of things.
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