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Hi,

My sig shows the system my retailer is about to assemble in days, I left the low end mobo research to the last minute. Can you help? I'm now going to refresh my mobo knowledge by reading the appropriate amd mobo thread... it's been years and I haven't kept up with the technology.

The system is 90% for Chess Analysis using Rybka 4, the 16GB ram is a bit overdoing it but when positions repeat in chess, hashtables store positions in RAM to avoid duplication. Another small factor is hard drive access to about 37MB of tablebases for 6 man endgames and fewer speed up analysis on the 10-20% of the time I'm looking at endgames.

The system will run 24/7 365 days a year at 100% CPU core use and max RAM use so I beefed up my PSU to a Seasonic 750W Silver 80+.

I am an uber uber geek for liking chess to the exclusion of gaming, this explains the lopsided absence of any serious video card or sound card.

I figured the superior PSU would protect the mobo's capacitors, but do upgrades to $140-200 mobos mean better soldering, or more Japanese capacitors? The ASUS M4A89GT was just a rush, preliminary suggestion by the retailer...

I figure I'd overclock starting 2-4 years after buying this system, so that the warranty is not voided (is this n00b or what?) and I figure at 5-6 years, the cost of a new system means I wouldn't bother overclocking if I haven't started yet--but this is a topic for another thread (let me know where! I'm rusty re research in the last 3-4 years).

Thanks for any help.

This is my first post, so I figure the sig or system description will show below, the important aspects are the

CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T
RAM: 4 x 4GB Corsair DDR3-1600 9-9-9-24

OS: Windows 7 Home Premium Edition

I'd prefer XP but I needed an excuse not to use it, so I bought 16GB of ram!!!
    
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From one chess nut to another, memory and chip. Blow all your cash there. 16GB is not overkill, nor "underkill," so haters stay away.

The memory will help a lot, especially with software like Rybka or Shredder. I would try and opt for something with a bit tighter timings, hopefully in the 7-7-7 range or better. As for processor, I can't really comment...are the new engines taking advantage of more than 4 cores?
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I've got maybe 2 working laptops and 2 ancient desktops at home, 2 HP desktops, Q6600 are on the fritz. My point is, I'm going to use these for surfing, opening 50-100 windows though I should use either addons or history to reduce that number...

I refrained from buying a Blu-ray DVD at this point as I only borrow DVDs from the largest library system in the world, and they aren't going to stock Blu-ray discs until 90% of the retail market are Blu-rays.

The point of all of the above is to justify the low end video card I have.

I guess I can play a few games, but I'm trying to find reasons to get off my butt and outdoors, so don't encourage me to play!

What's likely is that I'll indeed push this system to the max continuously for 5 years, just chess at full tilt, and maybe I'll get lazy and use this system to surf or play games simultaneously.

It's probably a mistake to buy 16GB of RAM but I'm making up for salivating over how expensive it was 5 years ago. Now each 4GB stick is $55 Canadian!!!! Woo hoo... those sticks are my idea of a Ferrari...
    
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Seriously, the memory is not overkill, nor a mistake. The software you are running will benefit greatly. My only comment is the processor.

Unless you have Deep Rybka, it's a total waste. You will not benefit with 6 cores more than 4. Hell get an Athlon X2 of the same architecture, and it will be no faster (other than general multitasking).
Edited by Gizmo - 1/2/11 at 10:09am
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From one chess nut to another, memory and chip. Blow all your cash there. 16GB is not overkill, nor "underkill," so haters stay away.

The memory will help a lot, especially with software like Rybka or Shredder. I would try and opt for something with a bit tighter timings, hopefully in the 7-7-7 range or better. As for processor, I can't really comment...are the new engines taking advantage of more than 4 cores?

Thanks, now I have to read up again on timings after 5 years of half understanding it! Lol, I thought those 9s and 24 meant bigger is better, ha ha.

One stick of ram was in a bundle, so the other three to simplify had to be identical. The retailer reduced the price of these 3 from 66.10 to 54.99Canadian and when I asked how he did that, he said 'magic' twice...

I am insisting to the retailer to max the settings on the RAM on assembly, I wonder if they'll do a better job if I DON'T pester them while they work on it (sort of like spitting on the food if you are too finicky with the waiter).

Yes, Rybka 4 can use something like 128 or 1024 processors, I can't recall, and I figure my 6 cores are the price sweetspot (again, 1050T was the sweetspot for CPUmark/price, but I bought it in a bundle, and no, they won't negotiate even if someone walks in the door wanting my Core!)

Nice to get such a fast reply, thanks!
    
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Yes, Rybka 4 can use something like 128 or 1024 processors, I can't recall, and I figure my 6 cores are the price sweetspot (again, 1050T was the sweetspot for CPUmark/price, but I bought it in a bundle, and no, they won't negotiate even if someone walks in the door wanting my Core!)
Please double check this...I had to do a ninja edit, albeit not quickly enough. It is my understanding that unless you own "Deep Rybka" you will NOT benefit from additional cores. As for 1024 cores, I'm nearly certain you are thinking of Deep Shredder and Deep Blue....Deep Rybka I have no idea about, but I do know the non-deep edition cannot handle multiple cores.
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Getting this thread onto the track that worries me again...

Should I perfect this system to work insanely hard and long with a MOBO 'one step up' upgrade? I've had two desktops in ten years have bleeding capacitors. A Gigabyte mobo around 1999 due to the discovery of the cheap Chinese capacitor scandal, and now my HP desktop bleeding brown stains though it still boots to windows (just the video card is shot).

To emphasize: am I right that the PSU will adequately protect the mobo from degradation for at least 5-6 years? or will a better Mobo be needed?

I gotta now research whether ASUS AMD boards use Japanese capacitors, but common sense suggests the 'leading' company would be insane not to these days, and I think I recognized those pretty silver and blue capacitors in the AMD guide to mobo thread and wishful thinking made them Japanese...
    
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Please double check this...I had to do a ninja edit, albeit not quickly enough. It is my understanding that unless you own "Deep Rybka" you will NOT benefit from additional cores. As for 1024 cores, I'm nearly certain you are thinking of Deep Shredder and Deep Blue....Deep Rybka I have no idea about, but I do know the non-deep edition cannot handle multiple cores.
Indeed, I have the Deep Rybka 4 engine, thanks.

And if I didn't, it's a small investment to get it after spending the $$ on this system!

Good post for those chess fans who are waking up to want to use Deep Rybka...
    
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http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaf...tid=18519;pg=2


Dragon49 at 2010-08-16 22:34 posted:

"...(Deep) Rybka (4) can use up to 2048 cores - see the uci option. The maximum number of cpu's is 2048. It may be possible that currently, no motherboards can have more than 32 cores, but Rybka is prepared for the future, and will be able to use up to 2048."
    
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I went with the budget video card, getting 27.4FPS on Mafia II test on 1900 x 1080p setting.

I'm going to regret not getting a bigger card if I keep up the gaming.

Is Civilization 5 (I have a free deluxe upgrade but haven't yet bought the basic game yet) too ethnocentric for East Asians?

Any suggestions? Thanks!
Edited by Grandmaster - 1/24/11 at 10:33am
    
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