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Well they compared the AMD 6870 DirectCU to an overclocked GTX 460. Not an overclocked AMD 6870.

"On the performance front the 6870 DirectCU compares well with an overclocked GTX 460, matching it in most games and exceeding it in a few others. It was only HAWX 2 where the NVIDIA card showed a significant performance lead."

And Blu-Ray and 3D AMD 6870 surpasses by far the GTX 460 in every single test benchmark from every site that posts such tests.

Don't get me wrong the GTX 460 is a great card but the AMD 6870 is better than it.

The poster asked "A simple Question: GTX 460 or AMD 6870?" and didn't specify if he was looking for better deal or better GPU. For the money and bang for your buck the GTX 460 would be the answer but for performance and slightly higher price you get close to a GTX 470. Check around without rose colored glasses and you'll see.

Happy Gaming!

I am actually going to buy an AMD based card, not sure which one yet. I was just showing an example. And the Asus has a slight overclock, if you can call it that. Some people have had trouble overclocking the 6870's due to the coolers.
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The problem with the cooling on the ATI GPU is the fans being controlled by their drivers. They don't fan properly as the temp goes up in proportion.

I'm running Afterburner software from MSI and anyone can use it. Can be used by any cards. Tweak to the "manual user defined settings" to match below link.

http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/01.htm.

I'm running my MSI AMD 6870 Twin Frozr II at 940 core clock speed and 1175Mhz memory clock specs finally very stable. I'm hitting 30.1 Gpixel/s pixel filtrate and 150.4 GB/s bandwidth in Crysis maxed setting. Never get above 64C at fan speed 60%. Quite fans btw on this card. IF I'm not mistaken I'm at 4.7 or 4.8Gbps close to AMD 6850 5.0Gbps specs.

http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/11/01/03/4hn.png

The one problem ATI has had has been their drivers. Now that AMD had the wheel as of November releases of the 6000's series cards and ATI is no longer I feel that we will see an improvement. Base it on how they took the Bart architecture and improved it's performance at a even lower power consumption I feel they know what their doing. They've shown us they're rebuilt to reform what we knew as ATI.

On a side note: If you can get an AMD 6950 it has a bios tweak that will unlock and get you 6970 specs from what I've read but I'm getting off topic from this thread.

Good luck and happy gaming! Aren't we all having fun anyway? LOL.
     
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Oh btw if your going stock reference card might I suggest either MSI, Sapphire or XFX in that order? MSI uses highly-conductive Polymerized capacitors or solid caps which are a type of capacitors that are built to give higher lifespan. Solid Capacitors are the ones that is a “newer” technology that replace the traditional ones that have liquid in them which will sometime creates buzzing noise or possible leaking.

Sapphire has the greatest reviews by owners and come at a lower price tag and they even throw in a 1.4a HDMI cable. XFX has a great warranty surpass by none. All three have their strengths. It would depend more on your needs.

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OK I havent got the screen shot at the moment as its on the rig but the score my sli 460s get on unigene 2.1 while just running at stock (811mhz), running all max settings, extreme tess, 16 x ainsotropic filtering, 8x anti aliasing and at a res just short of 1920x1080 as the screen needs underscanned slightly,

I get 40.5 frames a second adverage.
not bad

I should also note that was at 4Ghz, using 3.2GHz gets me 40.3, so obviously 4GHz overkill.

Ill get them up to 900 for the next bench and post the screen shots, reason im so slow at this is because im in the process of moving back into my parents home and im using my sisters tv any chance I get - but my Panasonic txp42g20 plasma is arriving on saturday baby smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Juliancahillane;11900323 
OK I havent got the screen shot at the moment as its on the rig but the score my sli 460s get on unigene 2.1 while just running at stock (811mhz), running all max settings, extreme tess, 16 x ainsotropic filtering, 8x anti aliasing and at a res just short of 1920x1080 as the screen needs underscanned slightly,

I get 40.5 frames a second adverage.
not bad

I should also note that was at 4Ghz, using 3.2GHz gets me 40.3, so obviously 4GHz overkill.

Ill get them up to 900 for the next bench and post the screen shots, reason im so slow at this is because im in the process of moving back into my parents home and im using my sisters tv any chance I get - but my Panasonic txp42g20 plasma is arriving on saturday baby smile.gif

biggrin.gif THanks. Keep us updated biggrin.gif
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hmmm strangely i dont get many more frames with them running at 900 and processor at 3.8. 3 more frames to be percise. I must be running into a limitation given the extreme settings............... Im also convinced my 650w may be the limiting factor. To me this prooves the set up to be powerfull while running 3.2Ghz and stock cards, and overclocking doesnt provide a worthy increase in performance to warrant the strees and overvoltage. Ill look for a specific 2x6870 bench and see if i can compare directly.
    
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MSI GTX 460 Hawk Talon vs HIS AMD 6870 Reference review from KitGuru pretty much sums up this question on which is better. All the cards have been overclocked beyond out of the box.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/gr...rex-review/22/

MSI GTX 460 Talon is at 1000/1000 and the EVGA GTX 460 FTW is at 850/1000. The HIS AMD 6870 is 950/1140 overclocked. The single HIS AMD 6870 is being beat by the single MSI GTX 460 Hawk Talon and EVGA GTX 460 FTW.

In crossfire to SLI however the HIS AMD 6870 beats the EVGA GTX 460 FTW, but they didn't show the MSI Talon 460 in SLI in this review. I'm going to assume that in crossfire it would beat the MSI Hawk Talon GTX 460 as well in proportion anyway.

http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/heaven-overclock1.png

http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/up...-vantageoc.png

So in conclusion to this long sought after answer: the single card solution the MSI GTX 460 Hawk Talon 1000/1000 or EVGA GTX 460 FTW 850/1000 beats the single HIS AMD 6870 950/1140.

On the other hand in conclusion: the two card solution the HIS AMD 6870 950/1140 crossfire beats the MSI Hawk Talon GTX 460 1000/1000 and EVGA GTX 460 FTW 850/1000 SLI.

AMD scales better in crossfire than Nvidia in SLI. AMD gets better gains from the second card than Nvidia therefor surpasses in performance with two card solution.

Both are winners....Nvidia GTX 460 overclocked for one card solution and AMD 6870 overclocked for two card solution.


I've got a MSI AMD 6870 Twin Frozr II overclocked even further 1000/1175 and I beat the HIS AMD 6870 950/1140 overclock in that review, very stable even in Crysis gamer mode. I'd like to see those stats against the benchmarks above. I have a feeling it would close the gap even more on the single card solution or match it.

I have to say both are very comparable and it would depend on if you want one or two cards solution for your rig.

I'll end up saying as I've said before.....sometimes between AMD and Nvidia it's like trying to pick the reddest apple in the barrel when they both taste just as good.

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P.S. Memory bandwidth on the MSI GTX 460 Hawk Talon is 3900Mhz bus standard PCIe x16 2.0 and on the MSI AMD 6870 Twin Frozr II memory bandwidth 4200Mhz bus standard PCIe x 16 2.1.
     
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Originally Posted by Arizonian;11980426 
P.S. Memory bandwidth on the MSI GTX 460 Hawk Talon is 3900Mhz bus standard PCIe x16 2.0 and on the MSI AMD 6870 Twin Frozr II memory bandwidth 4200Mhz bus standard PCIe x 16 2.1.

Thanks for that post!
Yeah, I was thinking that dual card solution I'd have to lean towards ATI. But since I only decided to get one card, I just went balls to the wall and grabbed myself the Hawk. Don't you agree that all Hawks, regardless of whether it is ATI or Nvidia look pretty damn good? tongue.gif
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Thanks for that post!
Yeah, I was thinking that dual card solution I'd have to lean towards ATI. But since I only decided to get one card, I just went balls to the wall and grabbed myself the Hawk. Don't you agree that all Hawks, regardless of whether it is ATI or Nvidia look pretty damn good? tongue.gif

I'll have to concur and the MSI GTX 460 Hawk Talon Attack is also the only GTX 460 that supports 1.4a HDMI.

It's the military grade capacitors by MSI make them the reason they overclock so well and can take it without burning out. Not to mention longevity over reference cards. In fact your card will last longer than you'd like before wanting to upgrade to a better card in the next 4-5 years. LOL

The fact is, the war between AMD and Nvidia benefits the consumer with Nvidia response to lower their prices. So as consumers we are winning in the end. The Hawk Talon Attack used to be $250.00 and now going for $230.00.

The reference cards are going even lower than that around $200! Price wise they offer an awesome bang for your buck at low end prices for mid level cards.

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