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I kinda wish unicorns were real and squirrels farted skittles.

It's just not gonna happen. Intel will always be the ones putting out the most advanced tech and AMD will always be slightly behind with lower prices, unless of course AMD has some miracle breakthrough with new processing tech that they can patent.
 
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I kinda wish unicorns were real and squirrels farted skittles.

It's just not gonna happen. Intel will always be the ones putting out the most advanced tech and AMD will always be slightly behind with lower prices, unless of course AMD has some miracle breakthrough with new processing tech that they can patent.
Fanboys seem to forget when amd was on top and intel was lagging behind.

I hope that amd will have a comeback with bulldozer, because I believe the market needs the competition. Amd is bringing back the FX series procs, which is a sign of confidence that their procs will top intel's, but again it is all hype.

Also, sandy bridge isn't revolutionary in the slightest. Higher clocks and lower tdp are thanks to the 32nm process, and the processors being just slightly faster clock for clock is not that impressive, especially considering they threw away the lga 1156 socket in the process. Not to mention, they are still only quad cores, in a market where 6 cores are the big thing.

Sandy bridge is meh, which sets up pretty well for bulldozer to come in and smash it. If it doesn't, then amd will have hyped it up for nothing, and will gain nothing. If it does, then amd will bring competition back to the market, which will be better for everyone.

@Shrimpy, AMD did come up with some pretty awesome tech, ever heard of x64??
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Fanboys seem to forget when amd was on top and intel was lagging behind. Granted, that was a long time ago, before the "core" series, but it can't be forgotten.

I hope that amd will have a comeback with bulldozer, because I believe the market needs the competition. Amd is bringing back the FX series procs, which is a sign of confidence that their procs will top intel's, but again it is all hype.

Also, sandy bridge isn't revolutionary in the slightest. Higher clocks and lower tdp are thanks to the 32nm process, and the processors being just slightly faster clock for clock is not that impressive, especially considering they threw away the lga 1156 socket in the process. Not to mention, they are still only quad cores, in a market where 6 cores are the big thing.

Sandy bridge is meh, which sets up pretty well for bulldozer to come in and smash it. If it doesn't, then amd will have hyped it up for nothing, and will gain nothing. If it does, then amd will bring competition back to the market, which will be better for everyone.
They may be quads, but some are hyperthreaded and in many, if not most, things 4cores/8threads trumps 6cores/6threads.
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Fanboys seem to forget when amd was on top and intel was lagging behind.

I hope that amd will have a comeback with bulldozer, because I believe the market needs the competition. Amd is bringing back the FX series procs, which is a sign of confidence that their procs will top intel's, but again it is all hype.

Also, sandy bridge isn't revolutionary in the slightest. Higher clocks and lower tdp are thanks to the 32nm process, and the processors being just slightly faster clock for clock is not that impressive, especially considering they threw away the lga 1156 socket in the process. Not to mention, they are still only quad cores, in a market where 6 cores are the big thing.

Sandy bridge is meh, which sets up pretty well for bulldozer to come in and smash it. If it doesn't, then amd will have hyped it up for nothing, and will gain nothing. If it does, then amd will bring competition back to the market, which will be better for everyone.

@Shrimpy, AMD did come up with some pretty awesome tech, ever heard of x64??
Wasn't saying they didn't. I started with AMD when I first started building PC's. My first CPU I purchased was an Athlon 64FX. I am just basing my assumptions off current market trends. 6 cores aren't quite the next best thing though. We are just breaking into quad-core capability right now actually. It may take a turn and all of a sudden you will have applications that can uses 6 logical CPU's but at this point it's just not there. Not to mention the fact that having 6 physical cores doesn't provide much of a boost (if any) as opposed to 4 physical w/ hyperthreading. AMD has to work within their target market which is the best value for the $ spent. Intel is slowly creeping into their domain though. The i3's and i5's are cheap fast CPU's and if SB follows suite they will have some lower end CPU's coming out for the budget pc builder.

I hope AMD does come out with something big. And I hope it brings market prices down as a whole if it happens. I am far from an Intel fanboy though. I hold almost no loyalty to a particular brand of anything (except Ford maybe =D). If someone makes something that I feel is higher quality for cheaper, I'll buy it, it has to be what I am looking for as well as cheaper though.
 
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Not to mention, they are still only quad cores, in a market where 6 cores are the big thing.
Have you noticed how the pricing structure for the Core i5 SB quads follow Phenom II X6 pricing? Same with clock rates. Another interesting thing, in heavily multi-threaded applications/benchmarks which Thuban traditionally won, SB performs very similar to or even beats Thuban. Basically, Intel just tried to match price/performance of the Core i5 Sandy Bridge processors to Thuban in applications where it traditionally loses. I bet if the Thubans performed better, then we'd also be seeing better performance from Sandy Bridge. It certainly has the headroom for it.

Heck, with absolutely no overclocking on the 2nd generation Intel Core i3 series (no, 5MHz BCLK increase doesn't count), it looks like they're purposely giving the <$150 market to AMD.
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The issue is competing on price is not a winning strategy. Eventually, if the performance gap continues to grow Intel will be able to discount their legacy items and edge out AMD. I really hope Bulldozer is a win for AMD and not just with highly threaded apps. Since so few applications are highly threaded, that is a very small niche market and not profitable enough to keep AMD around.
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The issue is competing on price is not a winning strategy. Eventually, if the performance gap continues to grow Intel will be able to discount their legacy items and edge out AMD. I really hope Bulldozer is a win for AMD and not just with highly threaded apps. Since so few applications are highly threaded, that is a very small niche market and not profitable enough to keep AMD around.
Yeah. I know AMD really needs to deliver on Bulldozer. Just saying the lack of competition is the reason for all the hoopla on Intel CPU's. If AMD processors were better able to compete, we'd probably have higher multiplier headroom in locked parts or higher stock clocks. Maybe even both. Seriously, it's going to be really scary if Intel becomes a monopoly.
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After waiting for a long long time for BD. I can't wait anymore, SB will be my next upgrade.
I know that BD has potential but with AMD there are always delays. I wish BD nothing but the best. Cmon AMD beat Intel and not just with the. "Price performance".
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After waiting for a long long time for BD. I can't wait anymore, SB will be my next upgrade.
I know that BD has potential but with AMD there are always delays. I wish BD nothing but the best. Cmon AMD beat Intel and not just with the. "Price performance".
I recall the days when there was once a really awful CPU called the Pentium 4 Prescott. It sucked up enormous amounts of energy, and required an ungodly overclock to match up with the humble little Athlon 64. But that's when I used a PowerPC G5 machine.. One thing that I was thinking...can't AMD leverage the HyperTransport links to maybe get more bandwidth out of any bottlenecks that might remain? This may close the gap between BD and SB. Bulldozer having more bandwidth, even with a lower clock speed in general.
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