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I never had any driver issues with vista after I started learning about computers and started installing custom drivers.


The only driver issue that I have had is that with ATi 10.12 drivers, the mouse movement is jittery in the upper right corner of each display. HOWEVER, that same issue is present with my new installation of W7 with the same set of drivers... So yeah...
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The UAC is the only downside in vista


The new taskbar in W7 is HORRIBLE for multitasking. I usuallt have 3-6 windows of my browser open. It takes FOREVER to switch between them when it took a single mouse click in vista...
Umm. It's called tabbed browsing. Who opens multiple windows on a browser anymore? I had your same habit but you'll will find its actually slower. Everytime I wanted to open a page I opened a new firefox window.

Anyway, I hated the new taskbar for a week or so, and then fell in love with it. It's single handedly the best thing for mult-tasking. I pitty people that still use the old style task bar. It will grow on you and you will never be able to go back.

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I have no idea where I can. I'veonly use 7 for 3 days or so.. EDIT: Okay, thanks!

Where can I turn off aero snap as well? It's a pain with dual monitors...
Oh so your making assumptions on an OS that you've only used for 3 days? Good job. When I make assumptions on an OS I try to use it for at least a month. MacOSX I gave a good 8 months before I ditched it. I gave Gnome on Linux about a month. I gave KDE on Linux the same amount of time.

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I never had any driver issues with vista after I started learning about computers and started installing custom drivers.


The only driver issue that I have had is that with ATi 10.12 drivers, the mouse movement is jittery in the upper right corner of each display. HOWEVER, that same issue is present with my new installation of W7 with the same set of drivers... So yeah...
Custom drivers? What are you doing running an open source version of Vista or writing your own drivers?
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More like:

Win 95
Win 98
Win 2000
Win ME
Win XP
Win Vista
Win 7

But ya know, cutting out Win 2000 so it fits your agrument works too I guess...
I think the argument doesn't hold water, since Win95 and Win98 were both horror shows filled with brain damage and goofiness, while Win98SE allowed USB devices. Win2000 was a vomitfest, but was slightly better than ME, which was an abomination. Pre-95 Windows versions were pretty useless lumps of trash, Win1 could have overlapping windows, Win2 was too slow to keep up to the speed of CGA graphics cards, Win3 was maybe a little OK, but WfW was a heap of steaming poo.

XP brought Windows to a level of mediocrity, still brain damaged but at least it didn't BSOD every three minutes like Win98SE. Vista was a bag of hurt - looked good, but there was basically no hardware that it could run on, and no advantage for any software, which ended up broken with the incompatibilities. Oh, and the extra 900 features that no one could possibly learn or use, sucking away system performance faster than say, the current bloatware that Apple heaps onto their most recent iterations of OSX.

Win7 is actually almost usable - still with brain damage, but nothing untoward. I was never a fan of Windows, having suffered through years of the stuff MS was cranking out long before most OCN users were born, but having used Win7, I can say that it is something that I can use - unlike other iterations of their OS.

Now Win8 is touted with Live... Live is nothing new, MS is just going to try to "build it in" because really, using Live once will make you flee away at high speeds if you have the choice. MS can't seem to let go of their failures. BOB was a failure, so they try to reheat it as "Live", where it is as brain damaged as slop that Adobe cranks out every two days. I think MS would be better on working on the things they are good at - and just write off the things that are simply god-awful. So Win8 might be adequate, if it is mostly Win7 - but if Live is built-in, it will make MS a laughing stock because MS doesn't know how to do anything online. Better if MS made Win8 say, better with multiple cores, or put it on a significant diet and make the kernel smaller, or have utilities that are actually usable.
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Windows 8 should be getting rid of the registry, and also the decrease in performance that all versions Windows experience after a long time. Windows 8 will be a necessary stepping stone.
You're kidding right?
My OS has been installed since 16th dec 2009 and I can tell you this: Its running even better than it did when I installed it.
The OS is running GREAT and the performance in games that I'm getting now is better than what I was getting then. Mostly because of driver updates.

You're post is true if you apply it to XP.
After a month or so it crapped out for no reason. Most of the time I had to re-install because of small things messing up the entire OS.
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Most of my point still stands. There is NO reason to hate vista. W7 = vista with a pretty interface + DX11. NOTHING more... Vista was perfect....
Vista was perfectly horrible. You dont see as many XP hold outs now.
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Umm. It's called tabbed browsing. Who opens multiple windows on a browser anymore? I had your same habit but you'll will find its actually slower. Everytime I wanted to open a page I opened a new firefox window.

Uhh.. I'm not trying to cause trouble, but I just hate that you brought up thta point. It's worth mentioning that I have 3-25 tabs on each browser window categorized by their purpose (work, play, research, purchases, videos, weather, etc)

The other points:

Taskbar: I don't think so, it's just slower. The old one is fast. Personal preference

The amount of time: I have owned w7 for 3 days but I have used other peoples rigs with w7 extensively... Of course I don't go and change their settings, that's not nice...

Custom drivers: Bad choice of words... You should know that I don't speak english as my native language
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Well, I personally hope it doesn't come out too soon, mainly because of DirectX12 (if it certainly is going to have it). Right now there are a very small number of DirectX11 games and I think it'll take some time for devs to get off of DX9 and onto 11. If 12 gets released that soon then all those DirectX11 cards that everybody got would pretty much be a waste, seeing as how few DX11 games there would be.

Then again, if you did get a card today, you'd probably want to upgrade in 2-3 years anyway. I guess it just depend on how often you buy cards.
 
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WinFS was part of the Longhorn mercy killing. It promised to be horrible in all regards, and though FAT is fairly brain damaged, at least it is simple and not proprietary. WinFS would break every application, and nothing was compatible with it - while offering no actual benefits.
if MS wants to do something progressive, they could add in the option of other file systems, like e2fs/e3fs - which are proven and solid.

I was simply pointing out the "promises" for Vista and 7, I'd love it if Windows supported Ext4, ReiserFS, XFS, etc.

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The only reason for the Registry was to support Ali Baba - which the DOJ killed off, and was one of the core "strengths" of BOB - that and Smart Wizards. Innovations like this make MS the laughing stock because they are so terribly implemented, and developed for all the wrong reasons.

Just like Win8 - it will offer nothing of benefit over Win7, will attract few customers, and will be intended for machines no one runs, and will support only a tiny handful of special applications and will break everything else. That's my prediction, based on the messes MS got themselves into every other time they tried these shenanigans. A new OS every 5 years is more like it, by the time we spent two years not running it until there are enough service packs and when there is software, and a year learning to set it up right - then two years of actual use before spending the next two years waiting for the next OS to become usable...
And now a lot of programs use the registry to say "I'm installed here!", etc, they'll need some form of emulation for it.


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(I've been friendly with you in all other posts, don't take offense)

It clearly wasn't perfect when MS had to go for Windows 7 and doitrite.

I do have to bring up, though, that Vista doubled XP's launch sales.

Within its first month, 20 million copies of Vista were sold, double the amount of Windows XP sales within its first month in October 2001, five years earlier.
The imperfection in Vista was its reputation, they could literally have just not released SP2 and put that as Windows 7 (As in, Vista SP2) and it would have sold well, take it from someone who used Vista from beta.

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Done. And yea, I agree that the driver support for Vista was horrible. I can't say if it's improved since I moved onto 7 the minute I was able to get it in July 2009. (RTM version)
FYI Vista and 7 mostly use the exact same drivers.

That's how closely related they are.
    
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Uhh.. I'm not trying to cause trouble, but I just hate that you brought up thta point. It's worth mentioning that I have 3-25 tabs on each browser window categorized by their purpose (work, play, research, purchases, videos, weather, etc)

The other points:

Taskbar: I don't think so, it's just slower. The old one is fast. Personal preference

The amount of time: I have owned w7 for 3 days but I have used other peoples rigs with w7 extensively... Of course I don't go and change their settings, that's not nice...

Custom drivers: Bad choice of words... You should know that I don't speak english as my native language
Ok gotcha. I'm just saying I hated the new taskbar. Give it a shot man. Also if you don't like it just right click it and change it to small icons and don't group. I find the task bar useful in a lot of settings.
    
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Windows vista didn't have ANY issues.
I don't know about the rest of you guys but that's where I stopped reading...
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