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If there was no DRM, considering there would be no replacement, a huge percentage more of people would pirate these games, and hurt the industry.
Can you provide any quantitative evidence of this? I'm sure that the SecuROM and TAGES sales reps have some biased numbers to back their claims that DRM actually works; but can you cite any objective research that shows DRM-clad games sell more than DRM-free ones?

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One last thing. LOL at all you people who don't buy games with DRM included. You are missing out on some AMAZING games that ARE quality games. Ironic is it not? You buy a game if it is worthy of the purchase but it cannot have DRM....
I own dozens of games. I'm not missing out on anything by skipping DRM-laden titles. Instead, the developers of those games are missing out on my money. They're the ones who wanted my money, to feed their families and pay their mortgages and so forth; but because they made an unacceptable business decision, I won't give it to them. I might have to substitute some other form of entertainment for the time I would have spent playing their game; but they can't substitute anything for the cash that's still in my pocket. It's their loss, not mine.
    
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If there was no DRM, considering there would be no replacement, a huge percentage more of people would pirate these games, and hurt the industry.
So why doesn't Valve give us any new DRM? Their games sell like mad, yet Steam is so easily defeated it isn't even a challenge. What about Bethesda? New Vegas sold like hotcakes despite using Steam, which again is about as weak as DRM gets.

Pirates will pirate. DRM does nothing to even slow them down. Removing DRM will, if anything, reduce the amount of pirates. After all why should someone pay 50-60 bucks for something with annoying DRM when they can torrent it and get a DRM-free copy for...free?!

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As far as a replacement for DRM. How can you police the market when you have people who complain about the inconvenience?
Simple: You don't. It is not the game publisher's responsibility to police anything.

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This happens in real life issues as well. Perfect example is airport security.
Airport security makes many people take alternate methods to get places. I'm one of 'em. I love flying, hell I'm going into the air force as a pilot. But it will be a cold day in hell when I board a commercial passenger jet because of the security. It's way more convenient to get in my truck and just drive there.


If airport security was way more lax then I'd be much more likely to fly somewhere, but as it sits, if I can't get there by means other than commercial air travel, I don't need to be there.


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I think DRM is here for a reason. I do not see how you can implement a validation without connection to the internet.
DRM is here because game publishers realized that gullible people like you will believe the massive amounts of BS they spew about piracy.

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CD keys were suppose to do this but look what happened. Keygens....
Oh, hey, you already know why every single method of DRM that can be concocted is doomed to fail. You know damn well the pirates will crack it, often within days of release. DRM does absolutely nothing to protect anything, the only thing it does is annoy and piss off legit customers while pirates just put their troll face on and ask us "Problem, honest guy?". The sooner you realize that the sooner you'll be broken free of the BS.

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One last thing. LOL at all you people who don't buy games with DRM included.
So sue me if I don't want to be treated like criminal scum because I had the audacity to get my games honestly.

I have a personal rule about software, one that overrides any EULA. It's simple. IF I buy a program, I will do as I see fit with that program. It will do as I command, and nothing more. It will not interfere with any other program, nor will it in any way try to authenticate itself. End of discussion. If the publishers don't like it they know where they can shove it.

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You are missing out on some AMAZING games that ARE quality games. Ironic is it not? You buy a game if it is worthy of the purchase but it cannot have DRM....
If a game needs crazy DRM it isn't quality. Just look at Fallout: New Vegas, or TF2, or Garry's Mod, or HL2, or Mass Effect 1/2, or World of Warcraft. None of them require any insane DRM, all of them are excellent games. Amazing games, to use your terminology. So what was that about amazing games needing DRM again?
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DRM does seem to slow pirates down; not by a very noticable amount, but enough that it's worth it to many publishers. Yes, people knowledgable enough like the ones on this forum could probably find a great many cracked games since we know where to look, but not everyone does. Many people just simply copy a disc to their friend's computer; at least preventing that is something.

As much as pirates and pirate-defenders say that the piracy statistics are bogus, and as much as I have to admit they are probably at least PARTway right, I have yet to see any real counter-data on this, so I'm discounting that argument entirely.

To the point of the OP, I'd say to keep it simple; a one-time activation over the internet before you can play. I don't think making something incredibly complex is going to defend your game any more; just make it so someone actually has to search around to get a hacked version. Actually, to add to it, something like Batman: Arkham Asylum, or GTA4, works well. Both games allow you in even when it has detected cracking measures, but then makes crucial gameplay changes that make the game unplayable.

Like someone else said, convenience is the big thing. If it's as easy to play as a pirated version, that's good news.
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GTA IV does not in any way cripple itself when it detects a crack. I use a cracked copy because, while I did spend 40 bucks on it, I refuse to install SecuROM. I still had no problem doing anything the game allows you to do.
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I still remember when every game I bought only had the protection of a CD key. Regardless, I'm not a fan of DRM, at all. And while I do actively use Steam, it scares me. What if something happens to Steam or Valve makes a major change to the platform? We're screwed.
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And while I do actively use Steam, it scares me. What if something happens to Steam or Valve makes a major change to the platform? We're screwed.
Valve has a dead man's switch set up in case they have to shut down the login servers. It's basically an official steam crack.
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ATM i think the best DRM is ... impulse.

I need to turn it on to install a game and to patch a game (well at least stardock games). I can run the games with impulse off...

Steam is a close second. I have to run steam while playing games (which at least doesn't bother me too much anymore). And i know you can run it in offline mode (but i hear thats limted... never been not connected flong enough to find out, anyone c/d).

These MUST CONNECT TO OUR SERVER TO PLAY GAME AND YOUR SAVE FILE IS ON OUR SERVER. NO INTERNET NO GAME FOR YOU... I jsut don't buy or play (looking at you ubisoft). If i want to mod a game and play single player. I'm allowed to. (looking at you Blizzard... something about someone using a trainer to play SP and getting banned on battle.net).

Really, lax DRM like impulse or steam is best for the people that matter. That's the people who bother buying the games.
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post #48 of 59
For my tastes, the best form of DRM is no DRM.

Honestly, Fallout 3 has it perfect. They have a ton of sales from people who loved the game and it's a simple DRM.

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"We do NOT limit the number of installs. We do NOT use online authentication or any other SecuROM functionality except for a disc check when you install the game and when you launch the game,"
Works great for me. I hate online authentication because why in the hell would I want to let a company know my IP address. Granted, I'm on a forum where the admins can see it but they are going to collect it and store it. I don't like authorizations for something I just bloody paid to play.

I just want to play my games and enjoy them. I don't mind the STEAM model except for having to wait to download a game. It's not bad as long as the game is sold in retail stores.
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I would much rather prefer no DRM, just for the simple fact that it doesnt work. Companies are punishing the people giving them money and its down right idiotic.

Its one of the reasons I never purchase games with DRM. Unless super heavily discounted on steam
yep i paid $50 for crysis warhead on the dvd when it came out.. installed it on my pc to many times after reinstalls/upgrades and it told me my key has been used to many times and so i only got to play it for like a month total and got to like the 4th mission... EA basicly told me im screwed and to buy a new key i told that thats stupid and they have horrible customer service, its not like i gave it to my freinds and the internetz.. i only used the key on my desktop and only my desktop, just i like to reinstall windows is all.

Intel is taking DRM to the extreme and adding it into their new sandy bridge chips so netfix and such can let owners veiw HD streaming videos without risk of them copying them lol.
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gfwl is junk

refuses to start on my pc and stole my bioshock 2 activation
best form of drm is to buy the original and crack
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