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As much as i dont like apple, this.

Their Tech is also better, windows is still using MS-DOS , if only you could build an apple computer with windows 7 and make it upgradeable...
Thats arguable. I would pit HP, Dell, and Sony up against Apple any day.

If not, then build yourself a custom rig w/after market parts to your liking.
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post #122 of 132
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Originally Posted by XNine View Post
Does it really matter? The failure percent on Apple products is fairly low for industry standards.

For instance:
Shoppers and list-makers may be interested to learn that Asus and Toshiba notebooks had three-year failure rates below 16 percent. Sony placed third, with a 16.8 percent three-year failure rate, followed by Apple (17.4 percent), Dell (18.3 percent) and Lenovo (21.5). Acer and Gateway came in just under 24 percent, and Hewlett-Packard, which is the world’s largest producer of PCs, came in last, with a 25.6 percent failure rate over three years.
(from http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-an...-Study-488979/ )

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Ok. USB. Firewire. User Interface (such as multi-touch). Sorry, but iPod's did revolutionize the MP3 player. They weren't the first to make them, but after they did, everyone tried copying it. OS X has been a major influence on Windows 7.

Again, another person that doesn't know what they're talking about.
I understand this, but to make it as a larger PC maker, you must cut corners, the only reason they are so big is because they have to make them cheaper, yet less reliable.
    
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post #123 of 132
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Wait whut? I get the first part, but why would you want a mac and put windows 7 on it. Their tech is the same, but they dont use it to its fullest lol. An SR-2 Build would DESTROY their current $15,000 Mac Pro. Hands down.
Agreed.

Like I said much earlier on, I would hope that after Jobs is no longer CEO, that they would agree to let other MFG's use OS X. OS X is a very sexy, very streamlined OS. It not only caters to those who need simplicity, but also offers a lot of options to power-users as well. I moved away from the Mac platform for a few reasons, one of them being hardware availability, one of them being gaming, and another being that I could build a custom rig to my preference.

I think it's quite immature and stupid for people saying that Macs are for people who are too ignorant and are sheep. People forget that Macs are not in the custom-computer market, they're in the average-consumer market, much like HP, Dell, Sony, etc.

To be honest, I think Windows 7 is just as good as OS X in a lot of areas, which is also why Windows 7 is my main operating system now. That and it allows for more gaming opportunities for me.

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I understand this, but to make it as a larger PC maker, you must cut corners, the only reason they are so big is because they have to make them cheaper, yet less reliable.
So... what's your argument again? Weren't you saying how rife with problems Mac hardware is? Yet you're saying to be a competitor you have to cut corners?

When you break it down, you can't look at PC vs Mac. You have to go by MFG. Being that their hardware is more reliable than some of the other manufacturers out there does mean that it's quite reliable, even though the hardware is similar, and in some instances, the very same as some other PC MFG's.
post #124 of 132
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Agreed.

Like I said much earlier on, I would hope that after Jobs is no longer CEO, that they would agree to let other MFG's use OS X. OS X is a very sexy, very streamlined OS. It not only caters to those who need simplicity, but also offers a lot of options to power-users as well. I moved away from the Mac platform for a few reasons, one of them being hardware availability, one of them being gaming, and another being that I could build a custom rig to my preference.

I think it's quite immature and stupid for people saying that Macs are for people who are too ignorant and are sheep. People forget that Macs are not in the custom-computer market, they're in the average-consumer market, much like HP, Dell, Sony, etc.

To be honest, I think Windows 7 is just as good as OS X in a lot of areas, which is also why Windows 7 is my main operating system now. That and it allows for more gaming opportunities for me.



So... what's your argument again? Weren't you saying how rife with problems Mac hardware is? Yet you're saying to be a competitor you have to cut corners?

When you break it down, you can't look at PC vs Mac. You have to go by MFG. Being that their hardware is more reliable than some of the other manufacturers out there does mean that it's quite reliable, even though the hardware is similar, and in some instances, the very same as some other PC MFG's.
I am sure Mac's cannot be considered "Average" in the market. The Average laptop is worth around $500-$600 not a few thousand.
Anything over $1,500 with $800 hardware on it should be considered boutique computers in my opinion, which is what Apple and certain HP/Sony models are. Apple is not average what so ever with only a 10%> market share.

I wish I could pull statistics in workplaces to see how many are Windows, OSX, and other O/S, In what I have seen and in my opinion/estimate: 90% Windows, 5% Linux based OS, 3% Mac, .05% others, 1.5% Custom Operating systems.
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I am sure Mac's cannot be considered "Average" in the market. The Average laptop is worth around $500-$600 not a few thousand.
Anything over $1,500 with $800 hardware on it should be considered boutique computers in my opinion, which is what Apple and certain HP/Sony models are. Apple is not average what so ever with only a 10%> market share.

I wish I could pull statistics in workplaces to see how many are Windows, OSX, and other O/S, In what I have seen and in my opinion/estimate: 90% Windows, 5% Linux based OS, 3% Mac, .05% others, 1.5% Custom Operating systems.
No, they ARE average consumer products. They may be in a different price-point, but they are still spec builds and are not in the customizable field such as what most people here build. Dell is in the same territory, and for a similar laptop build from Dell to Apple you're paying pretty much the same price. And you CAN get Apple laptops for less than 1K, and desktops as well.

You're counting OS marketshare. What about MFG market share? Some estimates put Apple at around 14% (where as Dell is 30, HP 21, etc. etc.)

Pretty decent for a manufacturer in this kind of industry and economy, I'd say.
post #126 of 132
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Riiiiiiight. Just keep telling yourself that. Considering they've revolutionized a myriad of sectors of the tech industry, and this is a fact, you're just another over-zealous (or, perhaps, over-jealous) anti-Apple fanatic.




Let's see, they revolutionized they way computers look, they revolutionized the MP3 player, smart phones, media creation for the average home user, data transfer, customer service... Hm, yeah, they didn't do anything.



Their computers WILL do exactly what is asked. Bravo for not knowing what you're talking about.



Yeah, we'll see. Though "Think Different" hardly worked for them in the 90's, I think Apple knows where it's headed, or at least has a general idea.




Oh, really? Because googling also turns up billions of results for "PC" related problems. Far more than Apple. And they don't make a real computer? What's a fake computer then? No modern, usable processor? They use the same Intel processors many people on this site use.

Lacking industry standard apps? Let's see:
Office: Check
Adobe Products: Check
Web: Check
Media: Check

And you DO realize that Apple was one of the first to commit to Bluray over HDDVD, right?


Jesus. The amount of FUD people on thsi site spew is amazing. Apple has a place in the market, and whether you like it or not, has been a huge influence on current tech.
you're a complete tool....
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These type of threads make me love OCN even more

Love the childish comments and also the biased nonsense comments
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No, they ARE average consumer products. They may be in a different price-point, but they are still spec builds and are not in the customizable field such as what most people here build. Dell is in the same territory, and for a similar laptop build from Dell to Apple you're paying pretty much the same price. And you CAN get Apple laptops for less than 1K, and desktops as well.

You're counting OS marketshare. What about MFG market share? Some estimates put Apple at around 14% (where as Dell is 30, HP 21, etc. etc.)

Pretty decent for a manufacturer in this kind of industry and economy, I'd say.
2008 vs 2009
http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news...lace-in-us.ars

More recent 2010:
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Top PC vendors, worldwide:
1. HP - 15.45 million units (19.3% market share)
2. Acer - 11.4 million units (13% market share)
3. Dell - 10.35 million units (12.9% market share)
4. Lenovo - 7 million units (7.6% market share)
5. ASUS/Toshiba (tied) - 4.6 million units (5.55% market share)

US PC sales, Q1 2010: 17.5 million units
Growth (YOY): 18.6 percent

Top PC vendors, US:
1. HP - 4.45 million units (26.25% market share)
2. Dell - 4.1 million units (24.8% market share)
3. Acer - 2.5 million units (13% market share)
4. Toshiba - 1.45 million units (7.65% market share)
5. Apple - 1.25 million units (7.5% market share)
Those are the numbers to date.

Average, power user, etc laptops are placed at their levels due to price point.

Dell offers vastly more hardware for the price of any Apple product except for the Mac Mini (may not be the case now, I haven't looked).

Under $1,000 for an Apple laptop, which ones are those? The Macbook@ $999 base model with some coupons running a C2D from about to be 2 generations ago? The 11" Macbook Air base model with coupons, running a Core 2 Duo? Mac Mini? They make up the lesser portion of Apple's computer sales and can't even be compared to cheaper alternatives in terms of price/performance.

Anyways like I said Apple's main selling computer, the MBP is hardly a "average" laptop considering it's insane price point even @ base model.
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post #129 of 132
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Riiiiiiight. Just keep telling yourself that. Considering they've revolutionized a myriad of sectors of the tech industry, and this is a fact, you're just another over-zealous (or, perhaps, over-jealous) anti-Apple fanatic.
and you're post seems to indicate you are another over-zealous pro-Apple fanatic.

Kudos for fighting while horrible outnumbered I guess.
    
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Those are the numbers to date.
Interesting. Still, number 5 ain't bad in a very Windows-dominated market.


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and you're post seems to indicate you are another over-zealous pro-Apple fanatic.
You're right. With the two Apple products I own, a Powermac G4 from 2002 and an iPod shuffle I have sitting in storage collecting dust, and the custom Windows rig on my desk with two 23" Acer monitors, logitech sound system, logitech keyboard and G13, CM Sentinal mouse...

Yup. I'm an over-zealous Apple fanboy!

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Kudos for fighting while horrible outnumbered I guess.
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds
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