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Originally Posted by ImmortalKenny;11888160 
I'm talking quality, not quantity. Derp I know there's Windows based graphic design forums. Again, don't get into this topic if you don't know what you're talking about.

I bought a unibody Macbook (Core 2 Duo, 4GB of RAM) back in October of 2008 and it handled CS4 just fine. Premier on the other hand runs faster the more RAM your system has and encodes faster with the more cores your CPU has, that's just the limitations with laptops in general.

What he's saying is that his company or whatever back-alley organization he works for lies to its customers, because he obviously doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

It's cool, let the trolls be trolls.
post #42 of 132
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Originally Posted by ImmortalKenny;11888160 
I'm talking quality, not quantity. Derp I know there's Windows based graphic design forums. Again, don't get into this topic if you don't know what you're talking about.

I bought a unibody Macbook (Core 2 Duo, 4GB of RAM) back in October of 2008 and it handled CS4 just fine. Premiere on the other hand runs faster the more RAM your system has and encodes faster with the more cores your CPU has, that's just the limitations with laptops in general.

Photoshop CS4* can run in pentium 4 processors/1 gb of ram if you wanted it to, it all depends with the source you are working with. Try using a c2d on a 6000x3000 resolution picture, or even multiple 4k resolution pictures on 2-3 displays (oops I forgot you are stuck with 1 external/your internal display). Even the 330m on the MBP wouldn't keep up in panning and zooming and you will get a delay in editing/waiting. I am unsure what you are working with when you said you were using CS4 Photoshop. Cs4 Photoshop can also require a load of ram as well, depending if your doing multiple layers at 4k or higher resolutions as well as opening multiple pictures at the same time. A computer I built for a customer required 12gb of ram because he is currently working with multiple projects at a time and can go upwards to 8gb gbs of ram usage at any given point.
CS4 Premiere runs best using a mid range GPU to take care of panning/zooming and one or two effects, cpu (core/frequency based), and of course ram... Lots of it specially for serious video editing, aftereffects, and other effect programs running at the same time.
Yes limitations brought by the Macbook Pro's thin design, you are stuck with at best an i7 dual core at 2.66ghz, the alternative is a Dell Precision M6500 with a i7 mobile quad core (up to extreme), and up to 32gb of ram for when you have real work to do. Hell you can even go Sager and go for a desktop hexa core, with 24gb-32gb of ram I forget the limit I am pretty sure it's 32gb.

So my question is, what exactly where you doing on Cs4 Photoshop that it does not even tax the system? I am not working for organization, nor are we a large company or even considered a small company but I know enough and have had experience enough to know exactly the kind of systems professionals and large corporations use for intense applications simply because there are few alternatives (workstations or ****).

Lastly Final cut Pro is far from being the industry standard, specially considering it needs to be supplemented by Adobe suite (Final Cut Studio by itself is incomplete for professionals). The industry standard is Avid systems. Go read up, kid. A single Avid system can cost as much or well over a CS5 Master suite +a $3,000 Macbook Pro+Final cut Studio. I won't even go into 3rd party companies who get handed tens of thousands to millions of dollars for special effects from various movie production companies as well as marketing companies (commercials) who have to custom code special effects because they simply do not exist in Avid systems, or Adobe suites (after effects) I won't mention final cut because it simply lacks spectacular special effects software.

Anything else?

@NineX
Pardon me I did not mean folding@home. I mean folding/processor chemical reactions/simulating experiments/processing thousands of hours of data. It is difficult to explain since most of these programs are all custom made from the ground up, except the statistics software.
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Kid? *sigh* If only I wouldn't be infracted for calling you what you are.

"From the early 2000s, Final Cut Pro began to develop a large and expanding user base, mainly video hobbyists and independent filmmakers. It has, in later years especially, made inroads with film and television editors who have traditionally used Avid Technology's Media Composer. According to a 2007 SCRI study, Final Cut made up 49% of the US professional editing market, with Avid at 22%.[1] A published Survey in 2008 by the American Cinema Editors Guild placed their users at 21% FCP (and growing from previous surveys of this group), while all others are still on an Avid system of some kind.[2][3] "

Major films edited with Final Cut ProThe Rules of Attraction (2002)[6]
Full Frontal (2002)[6]
The Ring (2002)
Cold Mountain (2003) (Academy Award nominee for Best Editing – Walter Murch)[6]
Intolerable Cruelty (2003)
Open Water (2003)
Napoleon Dynamite (2004)
The Ladykillers (2004)
Species III (2004)
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (2004)
Super Size Me (2004)
Corpse Bride (2005)
Dreamer: Inspired by a True Story (2005)
Happy Endings (2005)
Ellie Parker (2005)
Jarhead (2005)
Little Manhattan (2005)
Me and You and Everyone We Know (2005)
300 (2007)[6]
Black Snake Moan (2006)
Letters from Iwo Jima (2006)
Happy Feet (2006)
Zodiac (2007)
The Simpsons Movie (2007)
No Country for Old Men (2007) (Academy Award nominee for Best Editing – Roderick Jaynes)
Reign Over Me (2007)
Youth Without Youth (2007)
Balls of Fury (2007)
Enchanted (2007)
Traitor (2008)
Burn After Reading (2008)
The X-Files: I Want to Believe (2008)
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button (2008)
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009)
(500) Days of Summer (2009)
Where the Wild Things Are (2009)[6]
A Serious Man (2009)
Tetro (2009)
Just for the Record (2010)
Eat, Pray, Love (2010)
The Social Network (2010)
True Grit (2010)

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Cut_Pro

Not an Inudstry standard, huh? I'd say those numbers and those films dictate otherwise.
post #44 of 132
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Originally Posted by XNine;11889138 
Kid? *sigh* If only I wouldn't be infracted for calling you what you are.

"From the early 2000s, Final Cut Pro began to develop a large and expanding user base, mainly video hobbyists and independent filmmakers. It has, in later years especially, made inroads with film and television editors who have traditionally used Avid Technology's Media Composer. According to a 2007 SCRI study, Final Cut made up 49% of the US professional editing market, with Avid at 22%.[1] A published Survey in 2008 by the American Cinema Editors Guild placed their users at 21% FCP (and growing from previous surveys of this group), while all others are still on an Avid system of some kind.[2][3] "

Major films edited with Final Cut ProThe Rules of Attraction (2002)[6]
Full Frontal (2002)[6]
The Ring (2002)
Cold Mountain (2003) (Academy Award nominee for Best Editing – Walter Murch)[6]
Intolerable Cruelty (2003)
Open Water (2003)
Napoleon Dynamite (2004)
The Ladykillers (2004)
Species III (2004)
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (2004)
Super Size Me (2004)
Corpse Bride (2005)
Dreamer: Inspired by a True Story (2005)
Happy Endings (2005)
Ellie Parker (2005)
Jarhead (2005)
Little Manhattan (2005)
Me and You and Everyone We Know (2005)
300 (2007)[6]
Black Snake Moan (2006)
Letters from Iwo Jima (2006)
Happy Feet (2006)
Zodiac (2007)
The Simpsons Movie (2007)
No Country for Old Men (2007) (Academy Award nominee for Best Editing – Roderick Jaynes)
Reign Over Me (2007)
Youth Without Youth (2007)
Balls of Fury (2007)
Enchanted (2007)
Traitor (2008)
Burn After Reading (2008)
The X-Files: I Want to Believe (2008)
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button (2008)
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009)
(500) Days of Summer (2009)
Where the Wild Things Are (2009)[6]
A Serious Man (2009)
Tetro (2009)
Just for the Record (2010)
Eat, Pray, Love (2010)
The Social Network (2010)
True Grit (2010)

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Cut_Pro

Not an Inudstry standard, huh? I'd say those numbers and those films dictate otherwise.
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American Cinema Editors Guild placed their users at 21% FCP (and growing from previous surveys of this group), while all others are still on an Avid system of some kind.[2][3]

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What is this? Avid (others)@ 23%
Avid DX Mojo@ 17%
That's 40% utilizing one Avid system or another.
Compared to Final cut@ 21%.

Also keep in mind this survey is an equipment survey, not what they use primarily.

I know little about the production of film making, but I know enough to know that Final cut is used in most movies, but used for minor touches here and there just as adobe is sometimes used for certain effects. A movie is never edited/produced utilizing one suite of software (well perhaps indie film companies), specially not blockbuster hits.

Any other questions?

I could post a list of movies made with Avid systems, or another software. Then again I would probably begin at page 5 and end at page 10-20.
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1. maybe they don't see profit in it

They also do not see profit in opening their OS to any kind of business or professional applications, outside of "graphics", where they have always tended to be on top. But then, I do not think they are scoring their cash on computers, but rather, their non-computational devices like iPods.
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same with 2, though in terms of form factor the 11" macbook air is a close competitor.

Except that the MBA has always been an overpriced but weak machine - way out of the league of regular Netbooks that offer far more for less cash. You can't really count their screens either, since they are low quality, dithered displays that can't display the full number of colours that regular machines can easily render.
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there are mac desktops, such as the iMac and the ones with the dual nehalems in them.

Their only tower is the overpriced MacPro - and they generally do not support or are able to take advantage of any modern video cards. Of course, one can chance it with an install of Windows, but then, you can buy pretty much buy twice the machine for half the money in the Windows world.

Many Mac users even question why Apple doesn't release a mini-tower or desktop form factor - just like they can't figure out why Apple is so adverse in getting into business class machines that can run business applications.

As for the iMac, too much cash to what amounts to a weak machine with no upgradability, no Blu-Ray, a cheezy chicklet keyboard devoid of a cursor or numeric pad, and the industry's worst ever mouse.
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all mac PC's come with an Intel, x86 capable processor, heck, most of the lappys have either C2D or i5/i7. can't get more modern than that at this point in time (Sandy Bridge isn't out yet at time of writing)

Apple does not offer a choice of processors, offer processors with oddball clock speeds, do not offer AMD processors, and have weak, obsolete, aged video systems. C2D is a few generations old, and i5/i7 was so two years ago, along with the 9400GT video - I wonder where they source those antique chips?
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and at above, they can play games. look at Steam's Mac selection.

They can play games, well, old games with low graphics settings - but OSX can't do simple things, like ASCII Text. Of course, the 660MB security update sure provides the "feels good to have a secure OS". Macs used to have so much promise, but they jumped the shark, and Win7 is clobbering them. If Apple didn't have iPods and iPhones, they'd be broke.

Of course, GM used to be a market cap champion - look what happened to them when people figured out they were marketing garbage...
post #46 of 132
SOME, good products, if any, others are bad, such as the LINUX RIP OFF OS. frown.gif

Am very upset that people who develop Linux can't make a simple OS like Mac, with the terminal a mere command prompt, people need to have simplicity, with the thing available, apparently previous OCN members don't understand.
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Originally Posted by XNine;11885698 
Riiiiiiight. Just keep telling yourself that. Considering they've revolutionized a myriad of sectors of the tech industry, and this is a fact, you're just another over-zealous (or, perhaps, over-jealous) anti-Apple fanatic.


Like what?

A re-branded tablet PC is not revolutionary; a dysfunctional, paper thin laptop is not revolutionary; a re-packed pocket PC is not revolutionary; having the most proprietary operating system and application software is not revolutionary; having good customer service is not revolutionary; putting an "i" in front of all your products is not revolutionary.

The only thing that I would concede to their status is the iPod, but thats it.

Sure, MSFT's per share value hasn't increased substantially in over a decade but they have been able to SUSTAIN themselves. That is the key word that DuckieHo alluded to in his post.

I have no problem accepting that Apple is a good company, but Apple apologetics are becoming a bit too vehement claiming Apple is some revolutionary force...
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I would say apple has underrated around here. It's only their rep for being not as customizable as a pc(a mac is a pc but w/e) Macs are pretty decent. especially their laptops. Apple's ipods and etc have a GREAT interface and is very easy to use hence why it's so popular. The downside to all this greatness of is price.
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I've made $5,000 of apples stocks....
    
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Between the wifey and I we have owned: A few ipods and a few iphones. We have been happy with all of them. The only thing I have had issues with was itunes things and it's probably somewhat user error since we use it once every few months. Based on our experience with Apple they make quality products and I would recommend them for someone looking for mp3 players or smartphones.
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