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Originally Posted by NrGx View Post
Market Cap means absolutely nothing.
Hmm, that's an interesting opinion. Try to borrow money or buy on credit if your company has a zero net worth Having a huge market cap allows them to have access to large sums of money if needed. Companies use it to leverage buyouts, etc.
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post #82 of 132
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Let's see, they revolutionized they way computers look, they revolutionized the MP3 player, smart phones, media creation for the average home user, data transfer, customer service... Hm, yeah, they didn't do anything.
Sorry, i just couldn't get past this. Apple revolutionised the way computers look? Really? How many different designs are there for Mac cases vs PC cases?

MP3 player? Fair enough, although it was more of an interface (and perhaps music purchasing) evolution than complete device revolution.

Smart phones? Hell no. The only reason the iphone took off was because it had an apple badge on it (which then drove the app store which made it even more popular).

Media creation? Please. There are equivalent and better media creation apps on Windows and Linux.

Data transfer? Referring to Firewire....? LOL. That's all that needs to be said.

and customer service? What have you been smoking... how has Apple revolutionised the way businesses communicate with people
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To me, Apple is like a mechanical keyboard. You can go for hours debating why it's worth its price. Some will tell you it's a complete ripoff for what you get, while other's say it just feels a lot better.

Most mechanical keyboards lacks things like media keys, number pad, backlighting, and macro keys and to top it all off they usually cost around $120.

Similarly, Apple charges a premium for mediocre system specs, no blu ray playback, little to no gaming capabilities (though its getting better), and its proprietary software hinders customizability.

However, some people just like the simplicity Apple brings to it's interfaces, much like how a mechanical keyboard user loves having no printed keys or a number pad with a red esc key. It's not for everyone obviously.

You can't call Apple's products innovative because in all honesty they're not but I can surely say they have changed how we listen to music and use our phones.

Hate them if you want--but I really don't understand why some here on OCN hate Apple as much as I hate Justin Bieber...
Fail analogy. Fact: Most mechanical keyboards do not lack numberpads, there are many with backlighting, and a few with media keys, macro keys etc. That analogy completely misses the point with typing comfort, which doesn't relate to macs at all.
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They also do not see profit in opening their OS to any kind of business or professional applications, outside of "graphics", where they have always tended to be on top. But then, I do not think they are scoring their cash on computers, but rather, their non-computational devices like iPods.

Except that the MBA has always been an overpriced but weak machine - way out of the league of regular Netbooks that offer far more for less cash. You can't really count their screens either, since they are low quality, dithered displays that can't display the full number of colours that regular machines can easily render.

Their only tower is the overpriced MacPro - and they generally do not support or are able to take advantage of any modern video cards. Of course, one can chance it with an install of Windows, but then, you can buy pretty much buy twice the machine for half the money in the Windows world.

Many Mac users even question why Apple doesn't release a mini-tower or desktop form factor - just like they can't figure out why Apple is so adverse in getting into business class machines that can run business applications.

As for the iMac, too much cash to what amounts to a weak machine with no upgradability, no Blu-Ray, a cheezy chicklet keyboard devoid of a cursor or numeric pad, and the industry's worst ever mouse.

Apple does not offer a choice of processors, offer processors with oddball clock speeds, do not offer AMD processors, and have weak, obsolete, aged video systems. C2D is a few generations old, and i5/i7 was so two years ago, along with the 9400GT video - I wonder where they source those antique chips?

They can play games, well, old games with low graphics settings - but OSX can't do simple things, like ASCII Text. Of course, the 660MB security update sure provides the "feels good to have a secure OS". Macs used to have so much promise, but they jumped the shark, and Win7 is clobbering them. If Apple didn't have iPods and iPhones, they'd be broke.
they are now moving towards making more money off the subsidiary devices, ie iPods and iPhones.

the macbook air is not a netbook competitor. at least the old one. and again, the only comparison with the new macbook airs is form factor. the internals are going to be far faster than your typical netbook. it's more a CULV/Ultraportable class PC. and last i heard and saw the screens are pretty good, and have good contrast ratio etc? Anand agrees with me

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Apple opts out of low margin competition. The cheapest MacBook Air starts at $999. You pay a premium, and part of that premium goes towards the best 11.6-inch display we’ve ever tested.
you could simply change the iMac keyboard if you don't want it, same with the mouse (they also offer the multitouch trackpad). and like ImmortalKenny said you're paying more for the experience and the ease of use. if that's not worth it in your eyes then look elsewhere. Mac's aren't meant to be high performance, OCable, and so on PC's like most people's sig rigs on here. they're targeted at the average Joe and making his life easier.

don't forget there IS the Mac Mini. not a mini tower or a normal desktop but it is something. i don't know much about Mac desktops, though. someone more well versed in that area can contend with you there. as for the iMac, it's an all-in-one. you're not supposed to be upgrading an iMac.

traditionally laptop GPU's and processors are released after the desktop counterparts, and there is no newer platform (well there is, Brazos / Zacate but it's not available in products yet). and yes they do offer a choice of processors - you can choose between different speed grades, same as other laptop manufacturers. as for the laptops, the Macbook Pro's (i again refer to the $1199 Macbook Pro, the $13" one) pack the Geforce 320M, which debuted on April 1 last year. the 15" 'Pro debuted on or just before / after the 14th of April . (look at the article date). i assume the 420M wasn't far along in production to be included. might be a generation behind, but is it really fair to call it slow and outdated? and AFAIK you CAN put current GPU's into the desktops (the Pro ones with the silver mesh-like casings) - if i recall Steelbom's system runs a 5870 or something similar.

as for why the Core 2 is in the 13" Macs, it's because there physically isn't enough space to incorporate i5 chips as well as a dedicated card. what do you mean by "oddball speeds?"

Civ V runs on Macs, and it's not old. nor is L4D2 / Team Fortress 2. again, http://store.steampowered.com/browse/mac

i don't know where you get some of your arguments from. i don't really like Apple all that much, but at least i'll be willing to give them credit where it's due.
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post #84 of 132
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Originally Posted by -iceblade^ View Post
they are now moving towards making more money off the subsidiary devices, ie iPods and iPhones.

the macbook air is not a netbook competitor. at least the old one. and again, the only comparison with the new macbook airs is form factor. the internals are going to be far faster than your typical netbook. it's more a CULV/Ultraportable class PC. and last i heard and saw the screens are pretty good, and have good contrast ratio etc? Anand agrees with me



you could simply change the iMac keyboard if you don't want it, same with the mouse (they also offer the multitouch trackpad). and like ImmortalKenny said you're paying more for the experience and the ease of use. if that's not worth it in your eyes then look elsewhere. Mac's aren't meant to be high performance, OCable, and so on PC's like most people's sig rigs on here. they're targeted at the average Joe and making his life easier.

don't forget there IS the Mac Mini. not a mini tower or a normal desktop but it is something. i don't know much about Mac desktops, though. someone more well versed in that area can contend with you there. as for the iMac, it's an all-in-one. you're not supposed to be upgrading an iMac.

traditionally laptop GPU's and processors are released after the desktop counterparts, and there is no newer platform (well there is, Brazos / Zacate but it's not available in products yet). and yes they do offer a choice of processors - you can choose between different speed grades, same as other laptop manufacturers. as for the laptops, the Macbook Pro's (i again refer to the $1199 Macbook Pro, the $13" one) pack the Geforce 320M, which debuted on April 1 last year. the 15" 'Pro debuted on or just before / after the 14th of April . (look at the article date). i assume the 420M wasn't far along in production to be included. might be a generation behind, but is it really fair to call it slow and outdated? and AFAIK you CAN put current GPU's into the desktops (the Pro ones with the silver mesh-like casings) - if i recall Steelbom's system runs a 5870 or something similar.

as for why the Core 2 is in the 13" Macs, it's because there physically isn't enough space to incorporate i5 chips as well as a dedicated card. what do you mean by "oddball speeds?"

Civ V runs on Macs, and it's not old. nor is L4D2 / Team Fortress 2. again, http://store.steampowered.com/browse/mac

i don't know where you get some of your arguments from. i don't really like Apple all that much, but at least i'll be willing to give them credit where it's due.
Other reasons factored into the Core 2 as opposed to the i5. Money, existing architecture, actual performance enhancement, so on.
    
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Where to start....

Many of the laptops you just mentioned share the same HDD config as the MBP.
The aluminum case is no less durable then any other similar notebook, I've owned a Thinkpad and the MBP so far wins. I'm not about to compare it to a notebook meant for construction sites and emergency vehicles. A 2' drop for ANY laptop I've owned has usually meant sure death. My sister, who couldn't possibly be harder on her 4 year old MacBook, hasn't had a problem with the hinges failing, which can't be said about a 2 year old Dell I owned. My MBP runs cooler, inside and out, then any other laptop I've owned, which is nearing 10.
You must have had poor choice in laptops. I haven't had one single hinge problem on any of my laptops.

The MBP hinges are quite weak. You can see complaints about hinge creaking online (youtube/google). I did a comparison as well, you can check my video out.

Most of the laptop's I have owned can and have survived a 2' drop.
This includes a Gateway M6862 (survived a 3' only damage was a hinge cover popping out-hard laminate floor). M6500 (dropped twice for testing@2' height- SSD so dont worry- hard concrete floor), E6500 (accidental drop from my desk 3' no damage what so ever carpet). Few others here and there.

The M6500's two hard drives (Dell workstation) are found on the back, and on the middle side (keyboard~ area).
You are right on the Thinkpad's T series however they have rubber paddings on the hard drive for vibration dampening last I checked. Yup I am right, just double checked with service manual. Which means whatever vibrations from the palm rest will not transfer to the HDD.
The HP Workstation series does have it underneath the palm rest which is an atrocious area.
The Fujitsu I've worked on have had them near the keyboard last I remember.

I usually test everything I buy, and dismantle it. I am pretty darn keen on how well or bad my laptops are built or designed.
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How much did Apple's value drop when it was rumored that Steve Job's was sick?
You're missing the point. Apple is the most HFT pumped stock on the planet. When there used to be a private sector owning stocks it was a unsecured credit card that they could borrow against from the banks and wipe them out to zero at will. Now the fed gives counterfeit money to hedge funds to buy the stock so in a sense they nationalized but privatized. If they fail you pay for it if they succeed private individuals reap the rewards.

This is the same thing as facebook. Which JP Morgan is doing a IPO on. They've set it up that way as well. If it totally freaking tanks they make 33 billion. If it succeeds they make more. If it tanks it breaks a few private investors but the bulk of the money comes straight out the federal budget. In other words taxpayers are on the hook. This is the way things are now. Those in charge get all the rewards with none of the responsibility. While those who are governed by them get all the responsiblity but none of the rewards. This is conversion from "other" reward to self rewarding and it's akin to if you were allowed to write your own employee appraisal and set your own salary. This is the power hungry sociopaths wet dream. Willing victims. Either too stupid to know they are being victimized or too overwhelmed by pure monopolistic centralization of it's power to think it's defeatable.

Apples officially "inside". They simply make up sales numbers, profits anything they want to make up and get counterfeited money when they want it.
This is known as troubled asset relief program. Which simply means making the banks whole by stealing through inflation from EVERYONE. Which is all the central banking system does. It's control not through force of law but law of force. Might makes right. Our cops spend all day practicing shooting at the gun range. Our soliders spend all day practicing stabbing at the fort. If you assemble violently you're breaking the law but we are assembled violently every day.

This is the slow conversion from stupid big projects to sensible big projects. When the king used to make everyone build them a tomb for his eternal slumber of immortality it was a stupid big project. But that's how you get servants you do big things. Big things need servants big companies need employees. They changed the stupid big projects from stupid useless things like pyramids to useful things like the industrial revolution. Which wasn't for you. Ya you got to a have a few cars out of it but they got tanks and guns and planes out of it. Then the Information Technology revolution. You got to play a few cool games. They got spy capability, smart bombs and "computer modeled lies". Next is the green revolution. The green revolution is where you are minimized and margianilzed into a solar powered crappy existance. Because the average us soldier uses 17 gallons of gasoline per day and it we are out of free easy energy. The military needs it so it's A10 warthog pilots can burn up 1000 gallons of gasoline and 1000 rounds of 30mm shells "practicing" so that they are better at killing than the people who won't do what the military tells them to do. And instead of just giving you pink slip for "failure" to conform to their expectations they can give you dead red slip.
Because we needed the industrial AND the Information Technology revolution to cement thier power. They both go to putting a great deal of punishment death and pain in as few as hands as possible and the IT revolution goes to maintaining the status quo. Because all governments are turned inside out through a combination of internal and external forces. They beat up both their own citizens and other peoples governments. So when other governments see us rioting they will attack the military. This is exactly how the US/UK cia mi6 operate. They destabilize from the inside by doing things like sticking cement mix in the school milk so the lime in it makes the kids violently sick. They stir up trouble by supporting any super violent anti government group. Then they come at them face to face in an external fashion once they've gotten the internal component riled up.

Which is why during this downturn you've seen a lot of big displays of force on citizens. With lots of threats of laws and rules to follow. The amount of disobediance and nature of the disobediance is how they form their game plan. If they can lie and we buy it then they use a deceptive tact. If they can't then they use a force tact. Simply google montana sedition project to see how it went back in world war I. World War II they lied, they lied their butt off and it worked. People aren't buying the lies this go around. So you can expect things to get very cruel and facist very quckly. Because after all, government is simply a fasces of manipulation and force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces
The axe is the industrial revolution. The all seeing eye is the information technology revolution. The green revolution is sticking you in various reward classes. Users and abusers of energy and power versus conserve and get as small and pitiful as you possibly can.

And apple is ironically the bad guy from their famous 1984 superbowl commercial. They always were the bad guy. It just simply wasn't time for them to be the bad guy yet. And I'll give you the most important name and tool of their wretched badness. Python.
Edited by Hephasteus - 1/4/11 at 10:11pm
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The M6500's two hard drives (Dell workstation) are found on the back, and on the middle side (keyboard~ area).
You are right on the Thinkpad's T series however they have rubber paddings on the hard drive for vibration dampening last I checked. Yup I am right, just double checked with service manual. Which means whatever vibrations from the palm rest will not transfer to the HDD.
The HP Workstation series does have it underneath the palm rest which is an atrocious area.
The Fujitsu I've worked on have had them near the keyboard last I remember.

I usually test everything I buy, and dismantle it. I am pretty darn keen on how well or bad my laptops are built or designed.
No macbooks have soldered batteries btw. How on earth would you service such a laptop. They're connected by screws (newer ones being a proprietary Y or Tamper Torx).

Although I appreciate the effort of the video, I dont see how it has much merit. Great, a laptop's screen will tilt if you tap it "hard". Or the screen shakes while i'm sitting in a magnitude 7 earthquake. Aluminum doesnt have much in the way of shock absorption (see Aluminum bikes) and has no give/flex like plastic.

Macbooks also have rubber vibration isolators in the HD brackets. I'm sure other laptops employ this as well but macbooks also include a sudden motion sensor to park HD heads with excessive movement.

edit: and listen to all that plastic creaking...bleh. Not saying the plastic laptop is crappy, but plastic's plastic.
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No macbooks have soldered batteries btw. How on earth would you service such a laptop. They're connected by screws (newer ones being a proprietary Y or Tamper Torx).

Although I appreciate the effort of the video, I dont see how it has much merit. Great, a laptop's screen will tilt if you tap it "hard". Or the screen shakes while i'm sitting in a magnitude 7 earthquake. Aluminum doesnt have much in the way of shock absorption (see Aluminum bikes) and has no give/flex like plastic.

Macbooks also have rubber vibration isolators in the HD brackets. I'm sure other laptops employ this as well but macbooks also include a sudden motion sensor to park HD heads with excessive movement.

edit: and listen to all that plastic creaking...bleh. Not saying the plastic laptop is crappy, but plastic's plastic.
It's common practice to subject components to forces they'd never see otherwise in order to simulate wear and tear. MacBooks are not durable. I've seen how easily they can break first hand. Years ago when it was still the IBM thinkpad, their HDD's had drop sensors. If the HDD went weightless, it parked the head. I'm sure today they've got a myriad of harddrive protection technology that has yet to be implemented by Apple, as is usually the case.

I'll agree, Apple products tend to be average joe products. And they do it pretty well. But at a steep price with lots of flash and no bang.

I'd like to make a rough comparison:
My mother got a Kindle for Christmas. $140 gets you a screen that makes you think you've stuck a piece of paper over it. Not to mention that the only time the device uses power is when 'turning the page' or is connected to the internet. It has web browsing and music listening capability and the higher end 3G model has FREE 3G service. This my friends is serving the customer. I understand the iPad to which I'm comparing this to is more powerful and intended to do more things, but for $500 I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would want it as the 'smartphone/laptop' hybrid it's being sold as. Unless you owned neither previously.
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I'm sure today they've got a myriad of harddrive protection technology that has yet to be implemented by Apple, as is usually the case.
speculation that is incorrect, and unfortunate since people that read your post will invariably take it as fact--such as AsAnAtheist thinking the macbook batteries were soldered to the logic board..(and appearing to be an "expert" on macbook build quality..it seems he's never actually taken one apart--maybe at most the bottom cover.)

http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/think/think...etech/aps.html

no advantage by either brand. Just in this case, a "simple" motion detection system. Do note that select models of Dells do not have this feature. They probably cheaped out on their mid to lower laptops and would rather create the "impact zone" by putting rubber bumpers on the underside of the laptop.
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Apple iPad: Magical and Revolutionary.

People gobbled that up.

Let me know when someone unlocks the alchemy spells to turn some if the spare car parts in my dad's garage into pure gold please. It is Magical right?

    
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