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The difficulty of solving the problem is irrelevant to the difficulty of arriving at the point where you can even deduce the problem.

If it is extremely hard to arrive at even seeing the equation, it is no wonder it took so long regardless of the answer to the equation. They couldn't even derive the answer until they had put forth the massive effort at determining the equation in the first place.

Once you find the needle in the hay stack, it is a triviality to thread it.
    
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I am stressing how basic the flaw of the encryption is.... NOT the decryption.




...and this is where you still are not understanding. I am reading your posts... and you are not comprending my posts. Stop and listen please... I'm trying to educate you.

A first day freshman can write a simple cypher. However, a first day freshman will probably be not be able to decypher. Any freshman could follow the process of AES encryption. The 100 of the smartest people in the world cannot crack the encryption.

Encoding is easy. Decoding is very very hard.

You are assuming the the difficulty in encoding is the same as decoding. The basis of encryption is non-deterministic polynomial-time complete.

Let's play a game:
You are salesman and you have to travel to different cities. You need to find the shortest route between these cities along set roads. Finding the optimal path between 1-3 cities is trivial. Finding the path between 10 cities gets hard. Finding the path between 128 cities is not possible by a human. Finding the path between 10,000 cities is not solvable (at least not without a supercomputer).

However, if I gave you the shortest route (the key, the answer)... it is relatively easy to check. You can check the answer a exponentially faster than trying to come up with the answer. This is the basis of encryption.

Again, I must repeat: Just because the solution is easy, it does not mean getting to the solution is easy.

Do you understand now?
I've always understood that, I think the way I am wording my posts is throwing you off. I know the basics of encryption. I'm trying to say that it is unfair for the hackers to say Sony had an "epic fail" when they managed to hold them off for four years, no matter how stupid their code was. That was my original intention when I began posting in this thread. However, a lot of the people here seem to believe hackers never tried cracking the PS3 until OtherOS was removed, which is bull.
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Your right, there were small groups trying to hack it from the start. The groups grow larger following Sony's choice to block out the OtherOS. A move that most considered to be unfair.


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post #104 of 179
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Originally Posted by Zinxe View Post
I've always understood that, I think the way I am wording my posts is throwing you off. I know the basics of encryption. I'm trying to say that it is unfair for the hackers to say Sony had an "epic fail" when they managed to hold them off for four years, no matter how stupid their code was. That was my original intention when I began posting in this thread. However, a lot of the people here seem to believe hackers never tried cracking the PS3 until OtherOS was removed, which is bull.
No..Watch the video ffs.
What part do you not understand!?!?

2 points that you disagree with:
1. That the hackers fail because they took so long
Some hackers try to hack PS3 since release, but MOST don't because otherOS is still there. Not a lot of motivation for the best hackers.

Sony gets rid of OtherOS. More hackers get in on the game.

Pause
This is the part where you start the clock for the real hacking to begin.
Play

Suddenly the timeline for the hacking of the PS3 took about as long as the Xbox360 did. Hmm, that is certainly NOT a failure of the hackers.

Also you obviously don't understand encryption and decryption if you think that it takes the same amount of effort to go both ways.

2. That Sony did not have an Epic Fail because they didn't do something so simple.
All other parts of the PS3's security have already been hacked long ago and ways have been found to exploit it (for full list watch the video), but full control over the PS3 has not been achieved.

As the best hackers continue to work on the PS3 following the OtherOS being removed they stumble upon THE EPIC FAIL.

Sony had a random number that wasn't random. Without that HUGE mistake the PS3 would not have been compromised this fully.

That part is the epic fail. That IS the epic fail. To say that is NOT an epic fail is retarded because it is. It is BASIC cryptography.
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This is a epic fail by Sony, How are you going to design a encryption system to generator a random number in the equation and that NUMBER IS THE SAME ALL THE TIME. Guess what this small ****up will cost you millions of dollars. PS3 is headed to the same path PSP did when it came out. They will pirate the **** out of it, it just took me 5 min to load a custom firmware on my PS3. Sony now has a problem delivering games, now what ever game they come out with will be pirated (no more firmware upgrade locks), they will just put the games on memory stick and boot them. (No cd-rom flashing like xbox360, or jtag which required some more knowledge). This exploit is so easy to apply that a 5 year old can do it.

Also SONY just paid a lot of money to movies studios to adopt Blu-Ray, guess what in a month you will be able to download blu-ray movies straight ps3 and watch them instead of buying blu-ray movies. They ****ed up, if that random number was doing what it is suppose to do, then the ps3 hack would have been delayed. PS3 was being sold at cost and they were trying to make money on games. This is very bad for sony. EPIC fail indeed. Try to read Duckie-ho posts carefully, they make a lot of sense.
    
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This is a epic fail by Sony, How are you going to design a encryption system to generator a random number in the equation and that NUMBER IS THE SAME ALL THE TIME. Guess what this small ****up will cost you millions of dollars. PS3 is headed to the same path PSP did when it came out. They will pirate the **** out of it, it just took me 5 min to load a custom firmware on my PS3. Sony now has a problem delivering games, now what ever game they come out with will be pirated (no more firmware upgrade locks), they will just put the games on memory stick and boot them. (No cd-rom flashing like xbox360, or jtag which required some more knowledge). This exploit is so easy to apply that a 5 year old can do it.

Also SONY just paid a lot of money to movies studios to adopt Blu-Ray, guess what in a month you will be able to download blu-ray movies straight ps3 and watch them instead of buying blu-ray movies. They ****ed up, if that random number was doing what it is suppose to do, then the ps3 hack would have been delayed. PS3 was being sold at cost and they were trying to make money on games. This is very bad for sony. EPIC fail indeed. Try to read Duckie-ho posts carefully, they make a lot of sense.
Epic fail? It took hackers what, 5 years to get this far? And you think youre hot **** for riding their coat tails. You surely impressed the pants off of me.
 
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No..Watch the video ffs.
What part do you not understand!?!?

2 points that you disagree with:
1. That the hackers fail because they took so long
Some hackers try to hack PS3 since release, but MOST don't because otherOS is still there. Not a lot of motivation for the best hackers.

Sony gets rid of OtherOS. More hackers get in on the game.

Pause
This is the part where you start the clock for the real hacking to begin.
Play

Suddenly the timeline for the hacking of the PS3 took about as long as the Xbox360 did. Hmm, that is certainly NOT a failure of the hackers.

Also you obviously don't understand encryption and decryption if you think that it takes the same amount of effort to go both ways.

2. That Sony did not have an Epic Fail because they didn't do something so simple.
All other parts of the PS3's security have already been hacked long ago and ways have been found to exploit it (for full list watch the video), but full control over the PS3 has not been achieved.

As the best hackers continue to work on the PS3 following the OtherOS being removed they stumble upon THE EPIC FAIL.

Sony had a random number that wasn't random. Without that HUGE mistake the PS3 would not have been compromised this fully.

That part is the epic fail. That IS the epic fail. To say that is NOT an epic fail is retarded because it is. It is BASIC cryptography.
Making your font really big doesn't hide the fact your reading comprehension skills match a 3rd grade child.
Go back and read my posts before you look even more like a fool. ffs, what part do you not understand!!?!?!oneone!11?!?!
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I hope the PS3 does become a haxxor's paradise...
I can't stand the Xbox Live prices...
I like the Xbox's almost lag free online gaming compared to the "free" ps3 online gaming..
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The PS3 is now my favorite system of all time. It used to be the Dreamcast because you could use bootloaders to run homebrew very easily, but now my preference might change.

I'm giving Sony the pat on the back for making a human mistake because I would NOT have had as much fun with my PSP as I did if it wasn't hacked.

Sony should just knock another $50 off the PS3, get together with the hacker community and sell PS3s preloaded with hacked content on it. They should even just have a homebrew channel on PSN. FREE apps that you can download. Imagine the possibilities! Then simply put more full retail games on the PSN @ $29.99 and watch the profits soar for developers, homebrewers, and Sony = Win/Win/Win
 
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Go back and read my posts
I read your posts and you just don't understand.
Thats fine.


Point is anyone who says it wasn't an epic fail is pretty much wrong.
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