Originally Posted by DuckieHo
If you think figuring out a key is so easy... then you really don't know much about encryption. The keys are NOT the same as there are seed values. Again, the keys are not the same. Repeat again... the keys are not the same.
The formula to generate a key do use seed characters. You can get three of the values from the public key. However, there were two private seeds. One of the private seeds is this random number.... that wasn't random.
So... to figure out the formula used by Sony, you still need math skills.
Please read up on nondeterministic polynomial time problems and why they are so hard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NP-complete
Encryption is a type of computer/math problem that is VERY VERY hard to solve. Check the solution is relatively easy but getting to it is very hard.
If I gave you a few pages of numbers... asked you to figure out how the numbers are generated and
what seeds were used.... how long would it take you to solve?
The Epic Fail on Sony part is they used a constant instead of a random.
The fail on many of here are that they don't understand cryptograpy and try to downplay the accomplishment of others. If you guys think you understand crypto, then go solve Kryptos. This 4-part puzzle sits next to the CIA cafeteria and tauts all of the CIA everyday. It still has not been solved: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptos
Do you want to call the CIA stupid because they can't solve a puzzle even though they have been working on it for 20 years?
I'm not downplaying what was done here (at least entirely if you must). I congratulate the people who got the key right, because no one else did obviously with maybe the exception of Geohot who had this all claimed before anyone else.
I'm calling out the things that are being said though. Sure, Sony made a big mistake and it was stupid.
The people who did figure it out, great for them. Woo - finally someone did it. I know I certainly don't have the knowledge, nor skill, to do anything remotely close in comparison.
Fact doesn't change that Sony's stupid mistake still took how long for everyone to figure out.
I never said you don't need math skills to figure it out. Why you bothered to mention that I don't know. You spewed quite a bit which is already known to alot here, especially if you watched the video or anything in relation to the video in article form.
I know that the keys themselves are not the same, but rather the number used to generate them in the equation that is supposed to be random isn't really random. Hence the stupidity on Sony's part. I'm not denying it.
I do realize I said in one of my posts "ESPECIALLY when you consider how long it took them to figure out that it's just some key that is used every time." 7AM in the morning typing, I wasn't going to start spewing out explanations, detail, and constants. My bad. Still didn't change my point though.
Originally Posted by TFL Replica
I haven't explicitly called anyone a fanboy but your replies are actually working against yourself. I know you're a big PS3 lover Omega, but I'm not addressing you so you can put that pitchfork down.
I know you're not addressing me, but regardless he didn't do anything to warrant the comment at that time. It would've made more sense to address me actually.
I do like the PS3, and Sony for that matter. But I'm not going to deny what they did was a "fail of epic proportions" (just to get away from epic fail lol).
Originally Posted by Drizzt5
No..Watch the video ffs.
What part do you not understand!?!?
2 points that you disagree with:
1. That the hackers fail because they took so long
Some hackers try to hack PS3 since release, but MOST don't because otherOS is still there. Not a lot of motivation for the best hackers.
Sony gets rid of OtherOS. More hackers get in on the game.
This is the part where you start the clock for the real hacking to begin.
Not entirely true.
I'd like to see the proof behind this if there is any.
The modding movement toward the PS3 was quite heavy before hand. And, infact, Other OS actually made the PS3 more vulnerable as Geohot proved. So if anything, the fact that something like this wasn't figured out and revealed before hand is even worse.
Suddenly the timeline for the hacking of the PS3 took about as long as the Xbox360 did. Hmm, that is certainly NOT a failure of the hackers.
The 360's modified firmwares to play pirated games could be traced back to as early as June to November of 2005 when the console itself launched.
So not at all.
Ok, lets say I do humor you and downplay the timeline a tad.
The PS3 launched in November 2006. It's now 2011
. That almost 5 entire years. The 360 was more or less figured out in less than a year, if not a little more publicly, directly following launch.
You cannot simply disregard 3-4 years
of tinkering after launch just because Sony removed OtherOS spurring people to demand for the homebrew more. That's not right at all.
I read your posts and you just don't understand.
Point is anyone who says it wasn't an epic fail is pretty much wrong.
I don't believe what he's trying to say is that what they did wasn't stupid. He isn't ignoring that. He understands that. He just doesn't agree that the time that it took people to figure this out should be disregarded which you and Duckie keep on insisting.
You're not reading his posts entirely.