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Too long, too big, too hard, all subjective.
It's subjective that it took the hacking community 4 years to get homebrew to the PS3?
XD Sorry but that's a fact. Nothing else but a fact.

Do you and Duckie know what the word subjective means? I don't mean to make it sound like an insult, but at this point I'm willing to question it because you're throwing these words out there and they just don't work.

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Edit - Hmmm... I didn't mean it like that.
lol, suuuure



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how many people in the world have been trying to hack the PS3 and the hours spent slaving over this...... yet everyone missed this epic fail until now and it's been what- 4 years?
This was my first post in direct response to Duckie.
Duckie - you seemed to think that by "hours spent slaving over this" I meant THIS exploit with the signature keys.
No. I meant THIS as in a security hole in general. THIS being the ability to now run homebrew and whatever else.

Everyone missed this "epic fail" by Sony until now. It's been 4 years and the only progress made towards homebrew has been GeoHot's Other OS breakthrough with Lv2 and the USB dev key. Both of which got axed. This (as in the exploit with the signature keys) is the first breakthrough in security that Sony is going to have problems with. It's taken 4 years. 4 years. Fact. Not subjective. Not too long or hard. It's solid, unarguable fact. And everyone is disregarding it because Sony messed up. Yes, Sony messed up - but they have gotten away with it for 4 years piracy free. That's my point.
Edited by OmegaNemesis28 - 1/7/11 at 11:56am
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post #152 of 179
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Even if it was a simple calculation, I definitely don't count the PS3's security as an "epic fail," that's just Hotz trying to be fresh. The true epic fail is that all these huge hacking groups took this long when the answer was so simple to get. The PS3 has had a VERY impressive run with 0 piracy. When it released, I expected it to be hacked within a few weeks. Even more epic fail will be when new firmware (already released) blocks his hack.

Also, I think Hotz ruined his chance of getting a VERY well paying job. Had he not publicly released the tools to do the hack, Sony may be more willing to hear him out. Now they will more likely take legal action instead.
The epic fail there will be trying to change the private key without breaking things.
    
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No. It is an epic fail.

Sony did not use a random number in their key. The equation required a random number. It is basic basic basic basic basic cryptography. If your seed is the same, someone will be able to solve for the key after collecting a few keys.
yup.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipti...tion_algorithm

tells you how to do it right there. Big fail by sony.
    
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post #154 of 179
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It's subjective that it took the hacking community 4 years to get homebrew to the PS3?
XD Sorry but that's a fact. Nothing else but a fact.

Do you and Duckie know what the word subjective means? I don't mean to make it sound like an insult, but at this point I'm willing to question it because you're throwing these words out there and they just don't work.



lol, suuuure



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This was my first post in direct response to Duckie.
Duckie - you seemed to think that by "hours spent slaving over this" I meant THIS exploit with the signature keys.
No. I meant THIS as in a security hole in general. THIS being the ability to now run homebrew and whatever else.

Everyone missed this "epic fail" by Sony until now. It's been 4 years and the only progress made towards homebrew has been GeoHot's Other OS breakthrough with Lv2 and the USB dev key. Both of which got axed. This (as in the exploit with the signature keys) is the first breakthrough in security that Sony is going to have problems with. It's taken 4 years. 4 years. Fact. Not subjective. Not too long or hard. It's solid, unarguable fact. And everyone is disregarding it because Sony messed up. Yes, Sony messed up - but they have gotten away with it for 4 years piracy free. That's my point.
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yup.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipti...tion_algorithm

tells you how to do it right there. Big fail by sony.
Hudge fail by Sony, although it only took a measly 4 years....
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The epic fail there will be trying to change the private key without breaking things.
Although I agree, I recommend everyone getting the custom firmware for their PS3s now that at least allows installation of pkgs because who the hell knows what Sony will resort to.

I rather be safe than be sorry later and have deja vu with the PSP CFWs.
How I hate hitting that update button without thinking it through. Caused me so many problems...
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I just.......... give up.
Happy? I, OmegaNemesis28, give up.
This is just too much for me.
Uuuuuuuuggggggghhhhhh
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In summary...

Facts:
PS3 took longer to crack than other consoles.
The security flaw is major mistake.

Opinions:
Hackers took too long to crack the PS3.
Hackers took a long time to find this flaw.

You can't argue the facts as you can frame them and prove them. However, if you make an subjective remark, why can't someone counter and point out weaknesses in the opinion? Those are opinions as there is no frame of reference.
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It's subjective that it took the hacking community 4 years to get homebrew to the PS3?
That isn't at all what I said. I said that it is subjective that 4 years is too long. Obviously a determined fact isn't subjective. And obviously a subjective interpretation isn't a fact.

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Do you and Duckie know what the word subjective means?


This whole thread is full of miscommunication/interpretation.
Edited by _02 - 1/7/11 at 12:37pm
    
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That isn't at all what I said. I said that it is subjective that 4 years is too long. Obviously a determined fact isn't subjective. And obviously a subjective interpretation isn't a fact.


This whole thread is full of miscommunication/interpretation.
The PS3 is already 3/4 through it's life span.
The 360 and Wii and PSP have been modified and can do homebrew and piracy since year 1 of their respective launchs. Some more easily than others. This is year 4 for the PS3. It just so happens to be that THIS security hole is larger than anything in comparison. That's not subjunctive.

So whether or not the 4 years of waiting has been worth it or not is what's really subjunctive.
Some will argue yes, the 4 years since launch for something for total control of the OS is much better than something like a drive mod or JTAG in year 1. Some, such as me, will argue no because it's the end of the line already. Not that I'm saying that this isn't a good thing to have but at this point anything is better than nothing. It just happens to be this isn't just anything, it's everything. Just took 4 years to get to it, which isn't subjunctive.
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Just took 4 years to get to it, which isn't subjunctive.
Omega, do you know what Subjunctive means?

I kid.

In the end I'm kind of excited to see what I can brick on my brother's PS3.
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