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Omega, do you know what Subjunctive means?

I kid.

In the end I'm kind of excited to see what I can brick on my brother's PS3.
Please tell me that's a typo!

Also, man you guys really like debating lol. XD

EDIT: OmegaNemesis, you have >23,000 POSTS??!?!??!!?!?!?!????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Please tell me that's a typo!

Also, man you guys really like debating lol. XD
No, I was just joking.

And debate is healthy, as long as you can stick to the facts and respect the other members of the debate. It is hard to walk the line when you have spirited opinions, but I feel that it is important to match your logic with others.

As long as you stay level headed, the only thing to come of it is clarification.

Sadly, it is not unusual for the heart to betray the brain or for communication to break down.
    
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I see what you're saying and I agree. The removal of OtherOS more or less forced people, and created new people, to look elsewhere for holes because everyone thought that OtherOS was the big weak spot other than something like signature keys. I don't doubt that the removal of OtherOS created a more powerful effort BUT: like I've been trying to say this entire time, the fact remains that Sony has gotten away with 4 years of piracy and homebrew-free sales. The PS3 has been what Nintendo and Microsoft have been trying to achieve since this turn of the generation if you will. Sony had it right until now, and everyone is simply throwing crap at them - COMPLETELY disregarding this - because it is a stupid mistake or "epic fail".



I know this and I've, like everything else, restated all of this 30 times over.
Yes but the effectiveness of the hole is irrelevant to what I'm saying. One person here has understood my post so far it seems.
I said something similar in one of my posts 2 pages back or so:
The security hole that would enable homebrew effectively that people were trying to find since the console launched in November 2006 was more or less never found until now 4 years later. It just happens to be that the one hole that they've found is a MASSIVE hole. A stupid hole. Regardless, it still took them all this time.
Homebrew. OtherOS let the homebrew hackers do what they want while the smaller people who want to pirate games and can make something to pirate games on, as I said, the hackers potential was mostly aimed at hacking a different part of the console...If Sony had just patched OtherOS we wouldn't see this as the homebrew hackers (i.e. The main grunt behind consoles getting hacked open) would still just try to gain access to the RSX.

It may have taken 4 years to get access to every possible bit of the console and pretty much make it impossible for Sony to fix it, lets see the homebrew people on the Xbox or Wii do the same thing before we say that it took ages, eh? Yes, it took ages if you look at the exploits found, but they only work on certain versions of the firmware...Hence, it didn't really take ages in my opinion as they won't need to update this later for later firmwares, compared to the Xbox which means you need to have not updated since April 2nd, 2009 to be able to JTAG it, if Sony didn't have otherOS...We'd either have exploits (eg. PSP, 360, PS2, etc) that are used for CFW...Or this would have been found out a lot earlier.
And if you're going to talk about piracy, look at the difficulty of flashing an Xbox DVD drive compared to this.
    
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Homebrew. OtherOS let the homebrew hackers do what they want while the smaller people who want to pirate games and can make something to pirate games on, as I said, the hackers potential was mostly aimed at hacking a different part of the console...If Sony had just patched OtherOS we wouldn't see this as the homebrew hackers (i.e. The main grunt behind consoles getting hacked open) would still just try to gain access to the RSX.

It may have taken 4 years to get access to every possible bit of the console and pretty much make it impossible for Sony to fix it, lets see the homebrew people on the Xbox or Wii do the same thing before we say that it took ages, eh? Yes, it took ages if you look at the exploits found, but they only work on certain versions of the firmware...Hence, it didn't really take ages in my opinion as they won't need to update this later for later firmwares, compared to the Xbox which means you need to have not updated since April 2nd, 2009 to be able to JTAG it, if Sony didn't have otherOS...We'd either have exploits (eg. PSP, 360, PS2, etc) that are used for CFW...Or this would have been found out a lot earlier.
And if you're going to talk about piracy, look at the difficulty of flashing an Xbox DVD drive compared to this.
Flashing a Xbox DVD drive is as easy as plugging the 360's DVD drive into your SATA port, running two (or 3 for backup) cmd commands, and putting it back into your 360. I've done it multiple times for multiple systems. And if you have have the hardware chipset to do it, you buy a SATA dongle on the cheap.
If it's the WAVE security your worried about red flagging your system, you simply run the ISO through one of the simplest programs ever and it'll take care of everything for you with a push of a button.

Not as easy as this, but you make it sound like it's a difficult process. My 10 year old brother could do it with 1 hand tied. It's about as easy as using a DS mod cart if not easier. Those things can cause so many damn problems >.< Pokemon Soul Silver had to be the most ridiculously security guarded game to stop piracy I've ever seen in my entire life. Took the pirates 3 weeks to finally figure it out and an additional week to fix it. Plus whatever else time to make it compatible with all carts, other bugs, ect.
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Flashing a Xbox DVD drive is as easy as plugging the 360's DVD drive into your SATA port, running two (or 3 for backup) cmd commands, and putting it back into your 360. I've done it multiple times for multiple systems. And if you have have the hardware chipset to do it, you buy a SATA dongle on the cheap.
If it's the WAVE security your worried about red flagging your system, you simply run the ISO through one of the simplest programs ever and it'll take care of everything for you with a push of a button.

Not as easy as this, but you make it sound like it's a difficult process. My 10 year old brother could do it with 1 hand tied. It's about as easy as using a DS mod cart if not easier. Those things can cause so many damn problems >.< Pokemon Soul Silver had to be the most ridiculously security guarded game to stop piracy I've ever seen in my entire life. Took the pirates 3 weeks to finally figure it out and an additional week to fix it. Plus whatever else time to make it compatible with all carts, other bugs, ect.
What if I buy a 360 now? I need a VIA SATA controller, I need to use a special pen thing, etc, this is just as simple as Flash Drive > PS3 > Flash > Done.
    
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What if I buy a 360 now? I need a VIA SATA controller, I need to use a special pen thing, etc, this is just as simple as Flash Drive > PS3 > Flash > Done.
special pen thing? I addressed the SATA thing as well.
Like I said, I don't deny the PS3 thing is easier but you're making it sound like a drive modification is a complicated science
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special pen thing? I addressed the SATA thing as well.
Like I said, I don't deny the PS3 thing is easier but you're making it sound like a drive modification is a complicated science
LiteOn drives need to provide some power and have the drive half open to make the drive say its key or something, google it, I'm not going to link it. (May be against TOS?)
    
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LiteOn drives need to provide some power and have the drive half open to make the drive say its key or something, google it, I'm not going to link it. (May be against TOS?)
oh yes yes now I know what you're talking about. Yes, there are a number of ways going about doing that for the LiteOn drive which luckily is the harder drives to do.
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So much for the 10 year plan
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So much for the 10 year plan
Meh... I think Sony might try to stick to the 10 year plan anyway...

Even though this hack is super easy... the PS2 suffered from mod chips and it easily lived its 10 year's and then some.
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