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post #11 of 32
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Originally Posted by azianai;11887638 
and how many of you experts have used norton in the last 2 years
you know, the AV Suite that's smaller and more efficient than AVG/Kaspersky/NOD?

I have used Norton for many years and personally believe it is overadvertised garbage and yes I am an expert. I remove thousand of threats from machines every week. If my credentials are in question, then you should note that I am a seasoned engineer for a company that operates in three states and lead the networking division for their primary offices. I dont use Norton and neither do my engineers because the software is buggy and poorly coded compared to others. If you need proof of this install it and go surfing hard for about two hours on every malicious site you can think of and see how long your "protection" holds out. Not much beats a Sonicwall managed and two software firewalls in a three homed environment, but if you insist on using crap - hey, it's your computer. And Kaspersky is a better software, I would rather use CA, Sunbelt, Ciso, or IBM as a security solutions provider than rely on junk like Norton and yes I'm entitled to my opinion as are you. Dont go questioning people's expertise when you have no knowledge of their background.
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I have used Norton for many years and personally believe it is overadvertised garbage and yes I am an expert. I remove thousand of threats from machines every week. If my credentials are in question, then you should note that I am a seasoned engineer for a company that operates in three states and lead the networking division for their primary offices. I dont use Norton and neither do my engineers because the software is buggy and poorly coded compared to others. If you need proof of this install it and go surfing hard for about two hours on every malicious site you can think of and see how long your "protection" holds out. Not much beats a Sonicwall managed and two software firewalls in a three homed environment, but if you insist on using crap - hey, it's your computer. And Kaspersky is a better software, I would rather use CA, Sunbelt, Ciso, or IBM as a security solutions provider than rely on junk like Norton and yes I'm entitled to my opinion as are you. Dont go questioning people's expertise when you have no knowledge of their background.
then why did my 1 day old update norton get chowed alive and my 14 day old avg yawn?

by day old i mean last updated
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I have used Norton for many years and personally believe it is overadvertised garbage and yes I am an expert. I remove thousand of threats from machines every week. If my credentials are in question, then you should note that I am a seasoned engineer for a company that operates in three states and lead the networking division for their primary offices. I dont use Norton and neither do my engineers because the software is buggy and poorly coded compared to others. If you need proof of this install it and go surfing hard for about two hours on every malicious site you can think of and see how long your "protection" holds out. Not much beats a Sonicwall managed and two software firewalls in a three homed environment, but if you insist on using crap - hey, it's your computer. And Kaspersky is a better software, I would rather use CA, Sunbelt, Ciso, or IBM as a security solutions provider than rely on junk like Norton and yes I'm entitled to my opinion as are you. Dont go questioning people's expertise when you have no knowledge of their background.
So my question to you then as you are so knowledgeable, is norton basically paying off the rest of the computer community besides you and your engineers?

Everyone knows norton's bloated software and horrible detection from when symantec bought them. However, i can't imagine that everyone else who does reviews of AV suites are wrong. Unless its a huge conspiracy.
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then why did my 1 day old update norton get chowed alive and my 14 day old avg yawn?

by day old i mean last updated
This is because Norton is crap. We established this. Take 20 engineers, and this is not just me and my team, I bet 18 of them will agree with me and say Norton is crap. The other two will swear by the crap and say... this is the best crap ever. Why, because they believe that because something is advertised as the best there is, it must be the case. Example, this thread. One guy loves Norton, he knows who he is, and everyone else has issues with it or thinks it is crap because it truly is crap.
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So my question to you then as you are so knowledgeable, is norton basically paying off the rest of the computer community besides you and your engineers?

Everyone knows norton's bloated software and horrible detection from when symantec bought them. However, i can't imagine that everyone else who does reviews of AV suites are wrong. Unless its a huge conspiracy.
Yes, Norton does pay off the community. They pay companies to distribute their software and they do pretty well financially because they have the financial backing for it. This doesn't make software good. And not everyone is wrong when it comes to reviews of AV suites. You have a good perspective here, but just because a majority of computer companies out there use Norton - and yes they get paid for it through sales commissions or bonuses - doesn't make it worth your while. Some time ago I worked for a Staples store as a computer technician and they insist on selling Norton products - it is in their procedures when selling new systems and suggested as an addon to every system they sell. However, they push it because Norton pays them for distribution. Don't believe me, well - they have a contract that says we will sell so many of these and advertise it - what will we get in return. They get bonuses - I got bonuses from selling it. I wish now I hadn't because there are that many people now using a software that is loaded with bugs. What reviews don't tell you is the failure rate of software or the performance issues it can cause. Will they cover this up, sure. Reviews don't run software for extended periods of time to see what happens with an OS or the software overtime. They review the software when compared to other softwares. But they don't debug the software or check it for issues with Windows system files or registry errors. So, yes - to a great extent the reviews are mostly wrong and don't give an adequate account of the extended use of the software. Wal-Mart and Staples are two examples of companies that receive discounts or sales bonuses from the sales of Norton software. It makes it more affordable for them to sell and carry that software as a result.
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If you want some legitimate reviews I am posting a list below. These reviews are some of the most trusted for security professionals.

http://www.westcoastlabs.com/checkma...techGroupID=27 - Does not give Symantec software it's seal of approval for Checkmark. Thus it does not detect and pass a range of tests with Malware, BOTS, and other viruses.

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/produ...irus_2010.html - Review of Norton by PCWorld - gets 2nd for interface. Malware detection not stellar. For non-techies, the average joe antivirus basically.

http://www.pcantivirusreviews.com/re..._software.html - Shows the sites review methods and gives Norton 5th on their listing.

http://anti-virus-software-review.toptenreviews.com/ - Number 4 here beat out by Bitdefender, Kaspersky, and Webroot.

http://www.top10list.com/top,10,anti...protection.asp - Comes in second to Kaspersky.

http://techdrag.com/top-10-antivirus-2011.html - Comes in third to Bitdefender and Kaspersky.

http://www.infocera.com/TOP_TEN_ANTI...sktop_2378.htm - Norton comes in 10 behind all the others - this was a 2008 review but it still holds weight as this hasn't changed much.

http://top-10-antivirus.com/ - Comes in fourth.

http://www.cnet.com/topic-reviews/antivirus.html - Gives Norton a mediocre user review and a 7.5 through their labs.

https://www.icsalabs.com/products?.x=31&.y=14 - Symantec is not ICSA certified.
ICSA determines the true standard of certifications for security softwares.

So where are some of their legitimate reviews making it the best, and where are it's certifications? I see neither of these and it is NOT recommended by the Security+ certification standard. Not ICSA certified and does not pass Checkmark. So - why buy it... support it if you want, but it is not certified by real professionals and is intended for basic home protection - need more. Check it's certifications yourself. http://www.symantec.com/about/index.jsp - They are just everywhere. Some certification. You know Enron had the money for advertising their products, too. Does that mean they had the best stuff. This is elementary thinking and if you can prove to me that Norton is board certified by anyone, then maybe I will degress. Here - see for yourself - http://www.symantec.com/business/pro...d=endpt_prot_1. Their Checkmark cert and ICSA certs expired in 2009.

http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/latest_comparative/index - This shows a reactive comparison from VB100 - the leading security software certification company. Norton is not certified currently. Symantec Norton falls in at 70.0 detection on this current review.
post #17 of 32
easiest solution is dump norton... and grab MSE not because im a fan boy but because its free... it does work pretty well.. and u can easily set up folder/extension exclusions.
    
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Norton was great, then became bloated garbage, and is now putting out a good product again. Those who say that Norton is still crap need to update their knowledge.

At any rate, you can usually exclude folders with AV programs. Just look through the settings for folder exclusions.

Here are instructions for excluding folders in Norton 2010. Not sure how close it is to 2011 but the concept is the same.
     
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If you want some legitimate reviews I am posting a list below. These reviews are some of the most trusted for security professionals.

http://www.westcoastlabs.com/checkma...techGroupID=27 - Does not give Symantec software it's seal of approval for Checkmark. Thus it does not detect and pass a range of tests with Malware, BOTS, and other viruses.

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/produ...irus_2010.html - Review of Norton by PCWorld - gets 2nd for interface. Malware detection not stellar. For non-techies, the average joe antivirus basically.

http://www.pcantivirusreviews.com/re..._software.html - Shows the sites review methods and gives Norton 5th on their listing.

http://anti-virus-software-review.toptenreviews.com/ - Number 4 here beat out by Bitdefender, Kaspersky, and Webroot.

http://www.top10list.com/top,10,anti...protection.asp - Comes in second to Kaspersky.

http://techdrag.com/top-10-antivirus-2011.html - Comes in third to Bitdefender and Kaspersky.

http://www.infocera.com/TOP_TEN_ANTI...sktop_2378.htm - Norton comes in 10 behind all the others - this was a 2008 review but it still holds weight as this hasn't changed much.

http://top-10-antivirus.com/ - Comes in fourth.

http://www.cnet.com/topic-reviews/antivirus.html - Gives Norton a mediocre user review and a 7.5 through their labs.

https://www.icsalabs.com/products?.x=31&.y=14 - Symantec is not ICSA certified.
ICSA determines the true standard of certifications for security softwares.

So where are some of their legitimate reviews making it the best, and where are it's certifications? I see neither of these and it is NOT recommended by the Security+ certification standard. Not ICSA certified and does not pass Checkmark. So - why buy it... support it if you want, but it is not certified by real professionals and is intended for basic home protection - need more. Check it's certifications yourself. http://www.symantec.com/about/index.jsp - They are just everywhere. Some certification. You know Enron had the money for advertising their products, too. Does that mean they had the best stuff. This is elementary thinking and if you can prove to me that Norton is board certified by anyone, then maybe I will degress. Here - see for yourself - http://www.symantec.com/business/pro...d=endpt_prot_1. Their Checkmark cert and ICSA certs expired in 2009.

http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/latest_comparative/index - This shows a reactive comparison from VB100 - the leading security software certification company. Norton is not certified currently. Symantec Norton falls in at 70.0 detection on this current review.
post #20 of 32
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Ok guys I have solved the question but I want to know, why does Norton apparently suck?

I mean I have seen A LOT of videos where people have tested Norton by downloading malicious software and it blocks like an average of 9/10 viruses and malware!

It looks like a great piece of work and even people like MaximumPC and PCWorld recommended Norton!
    
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