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Hey everyone,

I haven't been here in a while but thought I'd pop back and ask a question.

I've gotten into a hobby of video editing and I'd love to be able to encode/render the videos faster and perhaps with more ease and less lag in the preview window (Sony Vegas HD Studio is the software).

What would I need to do to speed up my video rendering with the best bang for buck or is it not worth it for the money spent? RAM or CPU or something else? My rig is the sig rig. Looking to spend less than £50 atm.

Thanks for any help
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In your budget, probably not too much. A hexacore would be great as would a better GPU if your program supports Stream or CUDA.
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Thanks for the fast reply IEATFISH, I just wondered as I read DRAM prices are coming down again (YAY! :whoop

I doubt 4GB -> 6GB RAM would do much anyway, right?
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I would doubt that is holding you back just yet. You can test it by starting task manager and then rendering a video. If you see your ram getting maxed out, then it might help some. But I'd assume most of the hardware holding you back is currently your CPU. Sometimes, depending on the size and quality of the videos, HDD speed can hinder you as well since it can only encode as fast as it can read/write.
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your CPU would help a load. high clockspeed + cores are what count there. i suggest staying with what you have. your budget doesn't really allow for what would help most - an X4 or X6 of some sort.

you could also try other means of encoding, ie using CUDA or AVIVO (whatever it's called for ATI)
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I encode with a i7 930 at 3.8ghz and have 12 gigs of ram and rarely use 2 gigs encoding. I dont really think more ram would help. The program i use is mostly CPU, the second pass maxes it out completely.
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depends on a few variables.

what type of files are you working with?
are you working with HD or SD?
what is your output medium?


I havent much experience with Vegas, but a LOT with HDV, HDSLR, and AVCHD in general.

Having only 1 HDD is hurting. Having only 4GB of RAM is hurting (especially if you actually add effects/corrections).

Add a second HDD for prerendered/export/cache files, and double up on your RAM. That would be a start.

Here is my personal PC setup for Adobe CS5...

Asus Rampage III Gene (microATX) motherboard
i7 950 clocked at 4.01Ghz
6x2GB Corsair XMS3 at 1614Mhz (12GB total)
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2x Fujitsu 80GB SATA II 7200RPM 2.5" HDD's in RAID0-render disk
2x Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 500GB in RAID0-export disk
GeForce 9800GTX+ OC 1GB (CUDA/MPE enabled)

I dont do any gaming, and i only use the 9800GTX+ OC because it is CUDA/Mercury Playback Engine enabled for CS5. I also have a Radeon 5770 1GB card. I can listen to music whilst editing or watch a movie/show in HD whilst encoding/exporting with NO lag whatsoever, and minimal if any detrimental effects to export times.

My bottleneck is usually the CPU when editing lightly; when i get a 980X it will be the RAM; by that time i will just build a new PC.

The advice of checking WHAT is being maxed out is a good one, but i would bet your single HDD is really taxing you, especially if you are working with HD. and no, USB 2.0 externals are not a good idea. eSATA, SATAII are the way to go.
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depends on a few variables.

what type of files are you working with?
are you working with HD or SD?
what is your output medium?


I havent much experience with Vegas, but a LOT with HDV, HDSLR, and AVCHD in general.

Having only 1 HDD is hurting. Having only 4GB of RAM is hurting (especially if you actually add effects/corrections).

Add a second HDD for prerendered/export/cache files, and double up on your RAM. That would be a start.

Here is my personal PC setup for Adobe CS5...

Asus Rampage III Gene (microATX) motherboard
i7 950 clocked at 4.01Ghz
6x2GB Corsair XMS3 at 1614Mhz (12GB total)
2x Intel X25M 80GB in RAID0 OS/program SSD/source file disk
2x Fujitsu 80GB SATA II 7200RPM 2.5" HDD's in RAID0-Cache disk
2x Fujitsu 80GB SATA II 7200RPM 2.5" HDD's in RAID0-render disk
2x Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 500GB in RAID0-export disk
GeForce 9800GTX+ OC 1GB (CUDA/MPE enabled)

I dont do any gaming, and i only use the 9800GTX+ OC because it is CUDA/Mercury Playback Engine enabled for CS5. I also have a Radeon 5770 1GB card. I can listen to music whilst editing or watch a movie/show in HD whilst encoding/exporting with NO lag whatsoever, and minimal if any detrimental effects to export times.

My bottleneck is usually the CPU when editing lightly; when i get a 980X it will be the RAM; by that time i will just build a new PC.

The advice of checking WHAT is being maxed out is a good one, but i would bet your single HDD is really taxing you, especially if you are working with HD. and no, USB 2.0 externals are not a good idea. eSATA, SATAII are the way to go.
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Great advice. Ah, a 980X, wouldn't it be great...
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post #9 of 11
Nothing can really be done.

You can go with gpu encoding but few warnings.

1.) The quality of the video from gpu encoding sucks.

2.) The sound will be only stereo.

3.)The software is really expensive.

4.) It will not improve video editing speed.

5.) Cards are to expensive to match the power of a cpu.

Extra memory can always help on large projects but in your case will not do anything to increase speed.

You are cpu bound. AMD is not a good chip to do anything like video editing, it lacks some of the common protocols and command structures.

I think the last two processors, 1055T and the other one supports the older video encoding protocols that are not used anymore.

If you want to downsample, get a gpu, at least the 460gtx, and spend the 100 bucks for the software. The results will not be pretty.

If you are looking into getting a video machine, the new sandy bridges really do well in mainstream video encoding/transcoding, but lack the brutue power of the 980x.

Getting a newer processor could help, but amd does not support video encoding so your best bet for the buck would be intel.
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There's really no way to prevent lag in the preview window unless you pay nearly $100 for an addon that uses nVidia CUDA. even with 6 cores @ 4Ghz the preview window can lag, but the rendering is pretty fast. You can select some of the timeline and use shift + b to prerender that section of the timeline a bit slower but be able to view it smoothly.

For the most optimal Sony Vegas editing you will want:
1. 6 cores
2. 8GB of RAM in proper dual channel (it helped a lot for me)
3. Higher speed/lower timings (helps with high-bitrate encodes)
4. High CPU clock speed/NB clock speed (of course)
5. nVidia card (AVC encoding can use CUDA in the newest Sony Vegas version)

This is coming from a Vegas editor himself so you know you can trust me

And RiverOfIce, what do you mean video encoding does not support AMD? The x6 is often clock-for-clock with 4 core/8 thread i7s (or better) in encoding despite the lack of proper SSE4 instructions. What you say about GPU encoding is mostly true though, except for a few parts (you could render audio separately with 2+ channels and mux together with a program such as tsmuxer or MediaCoder).
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