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Yeah I know I'll have enough reach for sure. I'll be at Irwindale Speedway most of the time and its only 1/2 mile around. The test run will be at the end of this month and I'll be sure to let anyone interested know how it went.
I'd be interested with your results.
Night time action shooting can be a nightmare with slow glass. I imagine racing you need really fast shutter speeds close to 1/800 or 1/1000. I shoot basketball and football and can't go under 1/500 or 1/640 without motion blur.

Is that a big track with pro racing going on or is it small where anyone can pay a little money to run their car? If its a professional race you might be out of luck even getting an SLR in... and certainly not any larger glass that would be fast enough to shoot, stopping the action.

The lens you have should be great for most applications, just not nighttime when you need high shutter speeds.
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I'd be interested with your results.
Night time action shooting can be a nightmare with slow glass. I imagine racing you need really fast shutter speeds close to 1/800 or 1/1000. I shoot basketball and football and can't go under 1/500 or 1/640 without motion blur.

Is that a big track with pro racing going on or is it small where anyone can pay a little money to run their car? If its a professional race you might be out of luck even getting an SLR in... and certainly not any larger glass that would be fast enough to shoot, stopping the action.

The lens you have should be great for most applications, just not nighttime when you need high shutter speeds.
Its Toyota Speedway at Irwindale. Probably the most well known NASCAR short track on the west coast. The race I'll be going to at the end of this month is the Toyota All Star Showdown which is a professional type race. Lots of big names from across the country.

Getting the equipment in will be no problem. I'll be in the pits and surprisingly they don't check what we bring in. I might consider renting a faster lens in case the 55-250 isn't up to the task.

I've looked at some of the shots I have of Sprint Cup series races and found a lot taken with a 7D (cheapest Canon body I can find in the EXIF data of any of the shots). The shutter speeds at night seem to be around what you said, 1/800 to 1/1000. ISO at 2000. Aperture was ƒ/4. Now granted in these pics the cars were doing upwards of 185 MPH. The cars at Irwindale won't be going near that fast. 125-130 tops.
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I've looked at some of the shots I have of Sprint Cup series races and found a lot taken with a 7D (cheapest Canon body I can find in the EXIF data of any of the shots). The shutter speeds at night seem to be around what you said, 1/800 to 1/1000. ISO at 2000. Aperture was Æ’/4. Now granted in these pics the cars were doing upwards of 185 MPH. The cars at Irwindale won't be going near that fast. 125-130 tops.
It's not so much the camera as it is the lens. The 7D has a great AF system, which helps with action shots, but the same AF system is implimented in the T2i.

f/4 would be those lenses I showed you earlier. The L-series telephoto lenses all have a fixed aperture of f/4, even at the narrow focal lengths (versus 5.6 for your 55-250mm). It helps quite a bit with action shots. Then of course there's also the ISO I mentioned, and since the T2i has the same sensor as the 7D, you can jack up the sensor up quite a bit. My 50D isn't as nice as yours when it comes to noise but I can still do ISO800 without much noticable noise. I'm sure you can push it past 800 yourself.
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It's not so much the camera as it is the lens. The 7D has a great AF system, which helps with action shots, but the same AF system is implimented in the T2i.

f/4 would be those lenses I showed you earlier. The L-series telephoto lenses all have a fixed aperture of f/4, even at the narrow focal lengths (versus 5.6 for your 55-250mm). It helps quite a bit with action shots. Then of course there's also the ISO I mentioned, and since the T2i has the same sensor as the 7D, you can jack up the sensor up quite a bit. My 50D isn't as nice as yours when it comes to noise but I can still do ISO800 without much noticable noise. I'm sure you can push it past 800 yourself.
Yeah I picked the photos taken with a 7D because you mentioned that the T2i and it share some things. So basically if I can get that 70-200mm L-series telephoto lens I'd be set, assuming the photographer knows what he's doing lol. I was also surprised that the majority of the shots were taken at focal lengths of 200mm and under and the ones that weren't were a different photographer. Very well could be using that exact lens.
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It's not so much the camera as it is the lens. The 7D has a great AF system, which helps with action shots, but the same AF system is implimented in the T2i.

f/4 would be those lenses I showed you earlier. The L-series telephoto lenses all have a fixed aperture of f/4, even at the narrow focal lengths (versus 5.6 for your 55-250mm). It helps quite a bit with action shots. Then of course there's also the ISO I mentioned, and since the T2i has the same sensor as the 7D, you can jack up the sensor up quite a bit. My 50D isn't as nice as yours when it comes to noise but I can still do ISO800 without much noticable noise. I'm sure you can push it past 800 yourself.
I agree. His camera should do 1600 no problem. Check here for good sample ISO comparisons.
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM

I'd guess with a 1/800 f5.6 and 1600 he'd probably be about 1 to 1 1/2 stops under exposed, which a little post processing you can brighten that up and run noise ninja to get really great results.

I other words I wouldn't go shelling out money on f4 just yet. It only gains you 1/2 stop, which would still under expose with other settings remaining the same. Unless you can find a good deal on f2.8 70-200 or 200mm fixed I'd rock with what ya got. No need for is on any of those lenses... at the shutter speeds your shooting there won't be any camera shake.
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As far as post processing goes...Lightroom 3 be good enough?
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Check this forum out. Its good a lot of helpful folks just like here on OCN but for photography.
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As far as post processing goes...Lightroom 3 be good enough?
90% of my post is in lightroom. With presets, it makes color correction and light touchup a breeze. The default noise reduction is really good too.

Honestly, I don't use photoshop at all on any sports/photojournalism photos because in my eyes its not photojournalism anymore.

However, since your taking the pictures for yourself, if you wanna your photoshop (shout out to linux gimp users!) go for it!
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As far as post processing goes...Lightroom 3 be good enough?
Definitely enough. The vast majority of my PP is done in LR3. It's an extremely powerful tool.

If it helps, the most often used techniques by me are exposure and contrast levels, color levels, and masking done with the adjustment brush!

I think the last time I opened up photoshop was to do a Content Aware Fill, and before that, to make a watermark. Beyond that I don't think I've touched PS as much since I discovered LR.
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Sounds like I'll go with LR3 then! More to learn now lol

Thanks again guys.
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