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post #11 of 18
LOL. At this point I'm joining because I don't want to get flamed for creating the disappointed with AMD and ASUS thread.

Max stable OC: Unknown though I passed 8hrs of p95 @ 3.6GHz
Max bootable: 3.75GHz
Processor: Athlon x4 640
Mobo:The junky ASUS M4A785TD-M EVO (seriously stay away from this board)
RAM: Some 4GBs Adata 1333 DDR3 1.5
vcore: 1.3 at 3GHz and 1.525 at 3.6GHz
VDDNB:1.2
multiplier: 15
ref/core:200 or 240

I'm just beside myself with how much trouble I've had with computers in the last month. I feel like I should not go near any for a while but I start my programming class tomorrow. I wish I could change my profile name. Murphy's Law Incarnate has been my nickname for most of my life.
     
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post #12 of 18
Cook, you should add to your list CPU-NB frequency. My AM3 experience showed me that, RAM freq and CPU-NB frequency played the biggest role in stability.

Without knowing that value, the rest of the values are worthless IMO.
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post #13 of 18
I understand why you are upset. You are aiming for a 25% OC which I believe to be the sweet spot for this athlon ii propus cores. I got my 635 from 2.9 to 3.625 which is exactly 25% increse. Maybe you just need to accept the fact that you probably get a bad chip. I met couple of guys here that have the same exact ram, mobo and cpu, yet they can't get their 635 to 3.6. I'm sure it's the same case with your 640.

Also I read some comparisons with C2 and C3 chips. C3 usually needs more voltage to reach the same speed compared to C2.
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post #14 of 18
Your motherboard plays a serious part in this. I know for a fact that the ASUS M4A785-M is the best mainstream overclocking board out there. I've taken every chip out there and maxed them out without any stability issues.

When I dropped the Phenom II 940 into it, I instantly pushed it to 3.6 @ 1.45v and it was stable under Prime95. When you dropped that money on a less than amazing chip (Essentially a Phenom I equivalent), did you think that you'd never run into an issue because it rarely happens to anyone?
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post #15 of 18
Seriously? What do you want for $99? When I started this hobby, I paid almost $200 for a single core P4.
post #16 of 18
@Qosmio: Are you saying my mobo is good? Or are you talking about the DDR2 version? From my current experience with my board it's been anything but good. I'm going to basically reinstall windows and start testing it again but when I can pass p95 for 8hrs and still have problems with the USB, eSATA, and ethernet ports I start to wonder. I don't know what's wrong with it at this point since I can't figure out a way to test just the mobo or the RAM for being a problem. I'm even contemplating tempting fate with a BIOS flash but scared to brick the damn thing. Also, the Athlons are better than the first generation phenoms; I haven't seen any benches that show them even being equal.

@Cook: We stirred up a hornets' nest didn't we? At least you can say you're stable at some setting. I still can't even with defaults.
     
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post #17 of 18
I clocked my Propus to 4x3.7 ghz semi-stable (took ~1.57v). 2x3.9 ghz(went overkill without testing min volts at 1.63v, x4 was unstable) semi stable (didn't try it with x3, though I may at a later date). Booted windows at 4x4.0ghz totally unstable. 4150 BSOD while booting windows.

By semi-stable I mean I booted windows and was able to run P95 for 10-15 mins without crashing. I can't run it any longer as I'm on air and using the cold winter air to run the voltages.

Looks like 4x3.5 (1.488v, fully stable) is the best you'll get out of Propus on air and 3.7 or 3.9 is the best you'll get running mass amounts of volts with more extreme cooling. The voltage requirements after 3.5 is just crazy large jumps for hardly no gain.


For a budget CPU I'm glad this thing OC's at all...better than my Phenom 1 that only OC'd 200 mhz (3.0ghz) that I payed damn near 200$ for.
AMD, I give up.
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post #18 of 18
Hmm...guess Cook left the building.

Update from me:
3.6GHz stable @ 1.525 volts
almost a .2 increase in voltage from VID and a pretty high increase in full load temps. Unfortunately, I'm in need of a new mobo since mine seems to dislike having eSATA in use along with USB.
     
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