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post #1 of 9
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hello everyone.
I'm pretty new here, starting to get into OCing a lot more recently and i have a question or 2. all help is apreciated.

ok, so I've been OCing my graphics card for a while now and just got a new case and CPU cooler, so i thought id try OCing my CPU (and ram a little).

some specs:
CPU: AMD Phenom II x4 940 BE (stock 3ghz)
Motherboard: ASUS M3N78 PRO
Memory: 4x2GB OCZ DDR2 Nvidia SLI edition? (says 4-4-5 on the card i beleave, prty sure this is important?)
CPU cooling: cooler master 212+
i think thats all the related specs.

so I read a guide on here and it seemed fairly straight forward...

I started by changing the multiplyer to 16x and the cpu frequency to 220, left everything else at auto.
everything seemed good, ran prime 95 and measured temps with PC probe.
the temps hardly moved after a few min and CPU was still about 20C cooler then with the stock cooler, so i decided to try something a little higher.

adjusted the multiplyer to 17x and the cpu freq to 230 and tried again.
started up, signed into windows... and blue screen.

adjusted multiplyer to 16.5 and cpu freq to 225 and tried again.
windows started fine, cpu temp was around 40C. ran prime 95 and watched temps... didnt get above 45C and blue screen.

thought my CPU might not be getting the right voltage, so i set that to 1.42V and tried again... blue screen on startup

so set it back to my first try of multiplyer 16x, cpu freq 220 and have been running prime 95 for about half an hour now...

wow... reading that back i sound noob.

anyhow... i thought you just adjust the speeds, test, and watch the temps?
whats going on here?
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post #2 of 9
You're on the right track. Just keep fiddling with things and you'll eventually get it. I thought when you're OC'ing you wanted the highest multiplier? Add voltage as you go so you keep things stable. If you run Prime or whatever and it's not. Then add more.
post #3 of 9
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from what i understand a higher multiplyer will effect your RAM aswell, don't want to get it too hot as it isn't cooled.

thanks for your reply
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post #4 of 9
The CPU multiplier does not affect RAM, Front side bus (cpu frequency) does. You most likely need to underclock your RAM to stabilize. What is your stock RAM speed (ie 800, 1066, 1333, 1600)?

Also, see my guide for some tips.
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post #5 of 9
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Originally Posted by stonedzen View Post
The CPU multiplier does not affect RAM, Front side bus (cpu frequency) does. You most likely need to underclock your RAM to stabilize. What is your stock RAM speed (ie 800, 1066, 1333, 1600)?

Also, see my guide for some tips.
hmm, guess i got the 2 mixed up :/

my ram is running at 400 stock overclocked to 440 atm (at least thats what cpuid says, do you multiply that by the number of channels like for cpu speed? if so its stock 800, now 880)

My memory isnt gettin that hot either though, seems to stay below 40C...
should still even be some headroom to overclock the ram more from what i can tell...
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post #6 of 9
Your RAM will not overclock well, you should keep it below but as close to 400 as possible and then play with tighter timings. RAM temp isnt a good sign of stability either, just because it is cool doesnt mean it will be stable.

You should have a RAM ratio option in your bios, drop the ram speed one increment using this ratio...that will most likely fix the bsod.
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post #7 of 9
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i dont recall a ram ratio in the options... just ram voltage :/

is it a good idea to keep most of the other settings at auto or should i put actual values in?
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post #8 of 9
Quote:
Originally Posted by kingjames488 View Post
i dont recall a ram ratio in the options... just ram voltage :/
It may be under a different name....depends on your bios.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kingjames488 View Post
is it a good idea to keep most of the other settings at auto or should i put actual values in?
Again depends on your board...please click here to fill out your system specs, fill the whole thing out as much as you can, the more info the better.



Edit: just realized you added your specs in the original post, but please fill out your system specs nonetheless...keeps the rest of us from having to scroll back and forth.

Your ASUS board will probably adjust voltage automatically to compensate for your increased clock speeds, however it usually bumps voltage too high so manual input is better once you have found the stable overclock you want.

Also, since your board is ASUS I would be very surprised if the bios didnt have an option for RAM ratios...just keep looking.
Edited by stonedzen - 1/5/11 at 1:58pm
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Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
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post #9 of 9
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well ill try keeping the ram down and see if i can push my CPU speed any higher.

I'm not thinking the ram is too much of an issue though, the last couple times i tested with prime95 I used the option to test almost all CPU to try to make sure my memory clock wasnt playing into the equation much.

thanks for your help thus far
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