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Sweeeeeeeeeeet.

I'd love to have the flexibility of Windows (without Crysis etc) on a truly mobile platform.

It exists already (OQO, Viliv, BenQ) but this time it should bring more battery life and likely a more slim/solid device.
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yum yum

all the better for us
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Originally Posted by mbudden View Post
Sigh. Maybe you should have listened to Steve Ballmer during their Microsoft Presentation. They will be making x86 programs run on ARM. They had Excel and Word both running on ARM. Not to mention, Windows 8.

So do your research before you start saying things won't work. It now works.
Oh god...Knowing MS that will be horridly slow emulation or something.
    
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Oh god...Knowing MS that will be horridly slow emulation or something.
Nope. Converted code to run x86 programs.
Watch the keynote they had. They ran it on 4 different computers. All netbook sized. From Intel/Nvidia/AMD & Texas Instruments.
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Nope. Converted code to run x86 programs.
Watch the keynote they had. They ran it on 4 different computers. All netbook sized. From Intel/Nvidia/AMD & Texas Instruments.
Can't, stuck on 128kbit.

So they recompiled it to run on ARM? That'd mean you'd need to recompile everything to run on it...I think?
    
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Oh god...Knowing MS that will be horridly slow emulation or something.
Brutuz you probably should have watched the presentation before making assumptions. Just saying.


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Can't, stuck on 128kbit.

So they recompiled it to run on ARM? That'd mean you'd need to recompile everything to run on it...I think?
Yes they did. I think it's kind of cool. ARM Windows would be a lot safer. At least for a while.
    
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Nope. Converted code to run x86 programs.
Watch the keynote they had. They ran it on 4 different computers. All netbook sized. From Intel/Nvidia/AMD & Texas Instruments.
It is NOT converted code. See below.

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Brutuz you probably should have watched the presentation before making assumptions. Just saying.




Yes they did. I think it's kind of cool. ARM Windows would be a lot safer. At least for a while.
That's the whole flaw with making Windows run on Arm - it means that every single piece of software would have to be recompiled for Arm. At the moment, you can download a Windows binary, and as long as it wasn't written to access some internal component, it could have been written 15 years ago and would work just fine today.

Now, there'll be an instant spread, even among Windows versions. Anything released before the release of Windows 8 will refuse to run, and developers will have to develop for multiple platforms - which in all but the most low tech cases would require separate testing on a separate computer.

IMO, it will be a PR disaster for Microsoft on release.

Read up about how Windows XP 64 bit Edition (not x64) did when it added an incompatible architecture into the mix.
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Can anyone throw me a brief explanation on what ARM is? Sounds interesting.
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Can anyone throw me a brief explanation on what ARM is? Sounds interesting.
ARM is a microprocessor architecture. It uses a different set of instructions and processes information in a different way from x86 (x86 is what intel and AMD make). It is primarily used in smart phones and upcoming tablet devices because most all the ARM chips designed to date are low power (and have the advantage of not wasting power on a complex decoder). ARM, like Oracle's SPARC, MIPS, and IBM's POWER, is a RISC (reduced instruction set computing) architecture.

With ARM tablets and "superphones" becoming more popular (everyone has a cell phone, but most people have only one or two computers to a household), Microsoft needs to be able to move into this market to keep from becoming irrelevant later (ie. losing marketshare to Android, iOS, WebOS, Meego, etc).
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With ARM tablets and "superphones" becoming more popular (everyone has a cell phone, but most people have only one or two computers to a household), Microsoft needs to be able to move into this market to keep from becoming irrelevant later (ie. losing marketshare to Android, iOS, WebOS, Meego, etc).
This is what I don't understand. It's clear that MS want to get into the tablet market - yet they have other operating systems better suited to it - such as WP7 (with a lot of work to make it usable as a tablet, of course).

99% of Windows user interfaces are not optimized for touchscreens, and so can be difficult to use. IMO it's a much better idea to focus on having some quality tablets in the marketplace running a quality tablet OS - without having to worry about recompiling and an interface that was not designed for tablets.
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